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Good Evening All

I've been experimenting alot more now I have my RT3/Leslie 122 and I find the drawbars are more precise ie even 1 notch makes a difference compared with the two spinets.

I have been using 666806000 and 668848004 as a base Pink Floyd model that I can tweak track to track with Perc On/Soft/Slow/3rd optional C3 vibrato. and 888843468/888888888/848848448 for Steve Winwood with C3 Vibrato

I know this subject was covered on other forums in the past but I haven't found it here.

So what is your favourite drawbar setting and is it your own or is it ripped off from one of the greats?

Cheers

Dave

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

I love the clarinet on the L's...008080800...perfect Saucer full of secrets tone like in Pompeii

Stolen from Matthew Fisher and the tweeked by me: Upper 688600000, lower 004430000. percussion On, 2nd Harmonic, engage "paradise" button if so equipped. Add Leslie choral/trem to taste.

To bad you're on the other side of the globe Dave, I'd love to have you show me your Rick Wright stuff.

Best,

H101

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1955 Hammond RT3, HR40 & Leslie 251 wired as 147
1961 Hammond M101 (Thanks Chuck!)

My B3 Leslie 22H I like 888000000 and 808000000 for that classic Jazz organ combo

then I'll color solo's and fills with 088800000(vib 3) or 008400000(3rd C2) on the top. Then if I'm really fealing soulful I'll throw in

008654432 Leslie fast.

 

I do a lot playing around with F minor blues penatonic diddies in those settings. 

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Finally a set of keys I can't lose!

 

Have a look on Youtube at Pink Floyd Echoes. It needs to be the David Gilmour Live in Gdansk version (Rick Wright's last performance on DVD) and marvel at his Hammond playing on this track in particular. This is the version I have been playing along to of late. I am pausing my way through the long shots across the top of his beloved C3 chop to confirm the registrations and perc settings. Will update when I have checked. BTW Echoes is in E natural (I can't read music but that is the right pitch!)

Re Saucerful of Secrets, yes that is a beautiful sound. In the DVD you can see he plays an M102. On that version he plays Echoeson an M102 and Farfisa Compact Duo. Try 008808008 with a bit of vibrato for the Farfisa sound that he used on his Hammond when the Farfisa wasn't around. 

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

tonewheel1966:

 It needs to be the David Gilmour Live in Gdansk version (Rick Wright's last performance on DVD)

Yeah baby! Great performance! I own the 2 CD, 2 DVD set. I was a little dissapointed because the DVD does not have the "Breathe" opening actually played at the concert. I also caught the show when broadcast on VH1 and have it saved on my DVR. I will check out the youtube stuff tonight. Seeing Wright was a total bonus for me.

I bought the DVD/CD set for a completely different reason. I also play guitar ( my main instrument) and have been seriously playing lap and console steel guitar for about the last year. This is something I had wanted to do since I first saw David Gilmour play a lap steel on "one of these days" live during the Meddle tour in the early 70s. I didn't even know what it was (lap steel) back then but it sounded cool. You know how it is, you get older, wiser and hopefully a little wealthier so you can afford the things you couldn't do when you where a teenager. Here I am 36 years later learning Gilmour steel licks at 52! Another plus is that collectable vintage lap steel guitars from the 30s-60s are still fairly affordable. I am still looking for a Jedson steel as Gilmour used just for kicks. They really aren't that great an instrument. I prefer Fenders and Nationals.

I would have to vote that on "one of these days" and "Breathe" that this is the best use of lap steel in prog. rock ever. Most think this is just slide arm pit guitar. He did at some live venues play it that way.

I'll have to fire up the M101 tonight and play with those settings, neat stuff.

H101

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1955 Hammond RT3, HR40 & Leslie 251 wired as 147
1961 Hammond M101 (Thanks Chuck!)

tonewheel1966:

Re Saucerful of Secrets, yes that is a beautiful sound. In the DVD you can see he plays an M102. On that version he plays Echoeson an M102 and Farfisa Compact Duo. Try 008808008 with a bit of vibrato for the Farfisa sound that he used on his Hammond when the Farfisa wasn't around. 

 So the second half of the song when the band comes in is played on the Farfisa, and not the hammond? The 008080800 setting seems to get the intro almost dead on.

 Two off topics: Search youtube for Gratitude by Beastie Boys. Their pompeii tribute, and the ending has some pretty cool leslie cinematography. nothing flashy being played though.

I hope you know and love the original Pompeii cut (VHS/VCD)...and have not been taken in by the DVD trash they released a few years ago. I am infuriated by the directors cut, and the "original" edit which they include as a bonus is NOT the original cut...It's chopped in numerous places (including about 2 mins from echoes pt1).

 

Hi Johnny

I must admit I only have the DVD version from Amazon and am already pissed about missing out on the original.

On Saucerful the long organ intro up to Gilmour's all in one breath/hair in the mouth Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is the M102. On Echoes if you watch the DVD version, the Farfisa is played (strings through Binson Echorec) through the "animated vesuvious" bit and then switches back to Hammond M102 for the band coming back in (with percussion). Rick Wright's first Hammond was the M102 which he used until the Dark Side sessions, he then used an RT3 (belonging to Abbey Road studios London, like me and Hammond101) for Dark Side and then toured with one?! (poor roadies) and then went over to a C3 chop that he used until his death. The Farfisa wan't used again until the David Gilmour On an Island Tour.

Where can I get a copy of the original Pompeii???????????

Cheers

Dave

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

Hammond101:

To bad you're on the other side of the globe Dave, I'd love to have you show me your Rick Wright stuff.

Best,

H101

Two good things about being this side of the globe; 1) Keith Emerson comes from Worthing (My Home Town) 2) David Gilmour lives in Billingshurst (about 20 minutes away). Now if I could just get their mobile numbers...........

I wouldn't mind getting Keith to "endorse my Hammond L122" though

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

Wow, thats some close attention to detail. I've never even noticed the strings part on Echoes.

Check ebay. Unless you want to download it by trial and error until you get the right one. Most of the copies are all of the new DVD. On ebay there is one VCD, as well as Pal and NTSC Vhs for real cheap. They make a great x-mas gift!

Unfortunatly you can't get the old version on official DVD. I've never watched a VCD copy, this may be the way to go. but I dont mind my VHS copy at all. A bit grainy which doesn't bother me, and the sound is very passable.

Gilmour and Emerson...two of Britain's most brilliant contributions to the world of music. 

The irony:

As a guitarist, I've tried to incorporate Gilmour's style but found myself playing too many notes.

As an organist, I've tried to incorporate Emerson's style but found myself playing fewer notes.

 

As for my drawbar settings, the frankenstein outfit that is my chopped M3 modded with resistors and transformers and into a guitar pedals and an amp...On the top, I pull out the first three to max but tend to tuck in the middle of the three to isolate the root tones.  I switch in and out of percussion settings.  The bottom manual has the lowest octave at a 6, the second at a 4 and the third bar at max. 

 The higher drawbars don't respond well through the rotary sim so I don't use them unless the rotary is disengaged.

johnny b3:

Wow, thats some close attention to detail. I've never even noticed the strings part on Echoes.

Check ebay. Unless you want to download it by trial and error until you get the right one. Most of the copies are all of the new DVD. On ebay there is one VCD, as well as Pal and NTSC Vhs for real cheap. They make a great x-mas gift!

Unfortunatly you can't get the old version on official DVD. I've never watched a VCD copy, this may be the way to go. but I dont mind my VHS copy at all. A bit grainy which doesn't bother me, and the sound is very passable.

Sorry I meant by Strings that that is the setting on the Farfisa.

I never explain things properly, sorry  

 

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

hondro1025:

Gilmour and Emerson...two of Britain's most brilliant contributions to the world of music. 

The irony:

As a guitarist, I've tried to incorporate Gilmour's style but found myself playing too many notes.

As an organist, I've tried to incorporate Emerson's style but found myself playing fewer notes.

 

As for my drawbar settings, the frankenstein outfit that is my chopped M3 modded with resistors and transformers and into a guitar pedals and an amp...On the top, I pull out the first three to max but tend to tuck in the middle of the three to isolate the root tones.  I switch in and out of percussion settings.  The bottom manual has the lowest octave at a 6, the second at a 4 and the third bar at max. 

 The higher drawbars don't respond well through the rotary sim so I don't use them unless the rotary is disengaged.

If I bump into them in town I will give them your regards  

 

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1960 Hammond RT3 & 1963 Leslie 122R
1966 Hammond L122
1968 Hammond T202
1975 Leslie 710
2007 Yamaha PSR S-900 Arranger Workstation

Did anyone catch "Pink floyd - Which one's pink?", on VH1 Classic?  There is a point in the program where David Gilmour is talking about how awkward it was at the time when he was playing Syd's parts, while Syd was still in the band.  They then show footage of the band, and Rick is playing a E-xxx series. Anyone else catch that? 

Here's what I always start out with:

Top Bb: 8888888888

Top B: First 4 / all percussion tabs on (on/soft/fast/3rd)

Bottom Bb: 006400000

Bottom B: 848000000 

 

I usually start with that and build from there.