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**NYCFarmboy** · 05-14-2009, 11:51 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

wow..awesome..never saw a 12' Full Bass before...I take it it that is used for a resultant 32 or something?

how was the Unda Maris? :)

**Philip the organist** · 05-14-2009, 12:25 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

NYC, the Full Bass 12' is equivalent to a Bassquinte 10 2/3' and is used to make a 32' resultant. Its footage is just rounded off, as a Nasard is sometimes listed as 3' on neo-Classical organs.


I didn't get to use the Unda Maris this time around, but my teacher says it is an excellent one.

**Austin766** · 05-15-2009, 07:34 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

It looks rather a lot like you used flash in your photos. If you can avoid using flash, don't use it. When I went all over Cleveland last year for my senior project, John advised me that there were three golden rules of organ photography, of which I really only follow two. The full three golden rules of organ photography are 1) use a tripod, don't leave home without one if you intend to photograph organs, because your hands may not be nearly as steady as you think 2) don't use flash unless you absolutely have to, which is pretty rare. The only time I really use flash is when taking extremely close pictures of builder's plates, when I'm holding the camera in my hand, and then the flash helps solve the problem of somewhat shaky hands 3) use a self timer, this helps eliminate motion in the picture from pressing the shutter release (this is the one rule I don't follow).

The reason you don't want to use flash is it washes out all the vibrant colors and makes everything around it look blackish, no matter how much light you have in the room.

**PipeOrganKid** · 05-15-2009, 07:55 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

That must have been fun! It looks awesome!

**Philip the organist** · 05-15-2009, 07:56 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

Sorry Austin. [:(] Since it was just me and my teacher in the church, no other lights were on besides the few torchiere lamps in the organ loft. When they have concerts they turn on these flood lights in the rear corners of the nave that shine onto the case and it looks very impressive and glittery. I just snapped these pictures real quickly before my lesson while my teacher filled out some paperwork that I needed to apply for an ECMS scholarship, so I wouldn't have had time for a tripod anyhoo.

**Philip the organist** · 05-15-2009, 07:58 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

Sarah, if you're ever in town, shoot me an email and I might be able to ask my teacher to show you around.[Y]

**Guest** · 05-15-2009, 11:19 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

Yes, quite impressive. Too bad such investments often have a shortcoming here-or-there that cause them to topped of with (well-intentioned) department store solutions. The floor lamps flanking the console look our local funeral home decor.....

**Philip the organist** · 05-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

[quote user="Mekongnarra"]Yes, quite impressive. Too bad such investments often have a shortcoming here-or-there that cause them to topped of with (well-intentioned) department store solutions. The floor lamps flanking the console look our local funeral home decor.....
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Bear in mind, though, that adding electric lights to the console would have compromised the historical integrity of the instrument. Even the loft whereupon it sits is built of 200+year old wood, and modern nails etc. were not used. Even rabbit-entrail glue was used in the construction.

**soubasse32** · 05-15-2009, 12:39 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

[quote user="Philip the organist"][quote user="Mekongnarra"]Yes, quite impressive. Too bad such investments often have a shortcoming here-or-there that cause them to topped of with (well-intentioned) department store solutions. The floor lamps flanking the console look our local funeral home decor.....[/quote]Bear in mind, though, that adding electric lights to the console would have compromised the historical integrity of the instrument. Even the loft whereupon it sits is built of 200+year old wood, and modern nails etc. were not used. Even rabbit-entrail glue was used in the construction.[/quote]Such fanatic attention to detail is all the more reason to not have inappropriate lighting fixtures! I have to agree with Mekongnarra aboutthose lamps. [^o)]

I might suggest something baroque, along these lines[;)] :



Ok, maybe the statuary is a bit much [:D] but I like the crystal chandelier look. That, plus a simpler gilt or brass base would be just about right.

**mpsnknox** · 05-15-2009, 01:13 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

This is simply my opinion... but when you have to work around your organ when planning a worship service academia has trumped functionality and convenience. 

I am sure it is a stunning example of "Central German baroque" style. However the church is going to be saddled with this organ when its current organist is long and gone. 

The current church I sing for has a very handsome "North German" organ. No couplers... no combination action...unsteady wind.... wierd temperment (makes some keys/hymns dreadfull to listen to). Every weeks its the Greatest hits of the German Baroque period or earlier...and you can forget accomp. a choir with it (all we sing is acapella anthems... renaissance of course). But what happens when someone new is needed? They are going to be stuck looking for someone who is willing to play a highly quircky organ. 

I can see the merit of such organs in a University setting... but a church? Seems to me to be a case of someones Agenda over the best intrest of the church in the long term.

**LPhilbrick** · 05-15-2009, 01:19 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

[quote user="mpsnknox"]

This is simply my opinion... but when you have to work around your organ when planning a worship serviceacademia has trumped functionality and convenience. 

I am sure it is a stunning example of "Central German baroque" style. However the church is going to besaddled with this organ when its current organist is long and gone. 

The current church I sing for has a very handsome "North German" organ. No couplers... no combination action...unsteady wind.... wierd temperment (makes some keys/hymns dreadfull to listen to). Every weeks its the Greatest hits of the German Baroque period or earlier...and you can forget accomp. a choir with it (all we sing isacapella anthems...renaissance of course). But what happens when someone new is needed? They are going to be stuck looking for someone who is willing to play a highly quircky organ.

I can see the merit of such organs in a University setting... but a church? Seems to me to be a case of someones Agenda over the best intrest of the church in the long term.



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Amen!

**Mondochuck** · 05-15-2009, 02:59 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

nice photos Philip, thanks for sharing them. Yeah, those lamps are a bitblue lightspecialish, but easy to replace with something better. 

wow Soubasse, I like that lamp, how about a pair of those for my little tracker organ???

Actually I'm searching for a period lamp to install on my organ. Anyone have any suggestions? If anyone sees a nice antique organlamp, perhaps in brass, let me know.

**Philip the organist** · 05-15-2009, 06:57 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

[quote user="mpsnknox"]

This is simply my opinion... but when you have to work around your organ when planning a worship serviceacademia has trumped functionality and convenience. 

I am sure it is a stunning example of "Central German baroque" style. However the church is going to besaddled with this organ when its current organist is long and gone. 

The current church I sing for has a very handsome "North German" organ. No couplers... no combination action...unsteady wind.... wierd temperment (makes some keys/hymns dreadfull to listen to). Every weeks its the Greatest hits of the German Baroque period or earlier...and you can forget accomp. a choir with it (all we sing isacapella anthems...renaissance of course). But what happens when someone new is needed? They are going to be stuck looking for someone who is willing to play a highly quircky organ.

I can see the merit of such organs in a University setting... but a church? Seems to me to be a case of someones Agenda over the best intrest of the church in the long term.

[/quote]

I suppose that may be true, but all the same, it was an impressive experience. For my church I would choose probably a huge 5m Austin with Direct-Electric action (if that existed). Christ Church has also a big Hook and Hastings organ with the console in a recess near the altar and the pipes in the front of the church. It is in a very sorry state[:(], having begun life as a tracker, been modified to pneumatic, and then to EP. It is apparantly scarcely playable right now. There was an antiphonal division where the new organ is, but it was torn out to make room.[:O] Strange though how there was money for the new organ, but the old sat in a state of disrepair for so long. I think that's because ESM and various other people covered almost all the funding.[*-)]

**soubasse32** · 05-15-2009, 07:04 PM

Re: Christ Church, Rochester NY's famous new organ-Written by Philip the Organist

I'm of the same opinion regarding specialty instruments in churches - as has been mentioned, their quirkscan and dolimit the scope of worshipmusic, as well as any choral/organ concerts that might otherwise occur there. One solution is to build two instruments, but not many churches can afford that luxury. Since this organ is in Rochester it might be thought of as an extension to Eastman's organ department (?).

Regardless... what might be limiting to the church music program can also be seen as a rare treat for organ aficionados and fans of early music. [:)]
[quote user="Mondochuck"]Actually I'm searching for a period lamp to install on my organ. Anyone have any suggestions? If anyone sees a nice antique organlamp, perhaps in brass, let me know.[/quote]Are you looking for a floor lamp, or for something to attach to the instrument itself? While surfing around for the photo I posted above, I came across this fascinating websitewhich features European antiquities (at an appropriately deluxe price).I can tell though you like quality objects [;)] so maybe you'll find something there.

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