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    From Russia with goldfingers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7DEl4QgWT4
    Last edited by Goff; 09-20-2019, 06:17 PM.

    #2
    Originally posted by KC9UDX View Post

    Or at least acting like it...
    John was a card. He felt uncomfortable being in the limelight. So he'd make jokes and funny faces. He never wanted to be Elvis Beatle. The cliche musician turns comedian phase that was prevalent when camera first met musician.

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      #3
      True! But it also seems like he's not actually (and maybe even doesn't know how to) playing that part. This kind of faking, along with lip-syncing was rampant in videos of rock bands at that time.

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        #4
        He's credited for playing it. As mentioned, he was clowning around in the video. That said, the Beatles were the first band AFIK to start making music videos.

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          #5
          He's also partially credited (Lennon/McCartney) for writing almost every Beatles song whether he did or not.

          False credit was very common. Lots of bad stuff going on in the whole music industry for as long as they've been selling records.

          Mind you, I'm of the opinion that credit/copyright goes way too far. Copyright is killing music. Imagine if Bach was prevented from playing Hans Leo Hassler's tune!

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            #6
            Yeah well the way the Beatles operated, it could've been Paul that played the parts in fact it wasn't even Ringo who played on Love Me Do, it was Andy White.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Goff
              That said, the Beatles were the first band AFIK to start making music videos.
              Was it the Beatles or the Monkees? Of course, the Monkees had the TV show, but I don't remember any Beatles videos until after the Monkees. I'm probably wrong, though.

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                #8
                Does Elvis Presley count?

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                  #9
                  The Beatles were sending music video clips in the early 60's to meet the tour demand as they couldn't be everywhere at once. Paperback Writer is one of the first Beatles music videos. America most likely didn't see it because back then there were only three channels in syndication. ABC, NBC and CBS. And you couldn't get on without corporate go signals, lots of money and pre-development.

                  Music video concept channels were not industry supported then like MTV became in the 80's.
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                  https://youtu.be/yYvkICbTZIQ

                  The Monkees were in syndication, were movie story based and the Monkees TV show series was inspired by The Beatles' A Hard days Night movie which came out in 1964.
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                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLLo...JCaaIDD5trh_FV

                  Many times American TV shows got their cues from British TV shows. Steptoe and Son became Sanford and Son.
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                  The Monkees happened on American TV around summer of 1966 by the time the producers got through the hoops and red tape of getting corporate blessings.

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                    #10
                    KC9UDX
                    Does Elvis Presley count?
                    Jailhouse Rock music video came from the movie musical Jailhouse Rock made in 1957.

                    It would qualify as a music video but not as a standalone promotional clip made for a single purpose. For that matter we could go back to the 1920's the "talkies" era to look for music videos but they were largely movies.

                    We could include Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues video that came out in 1967 as a promotional clip taken from his UK tour film Don't Look Back 1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dont_Look_Back but in November of 1965 the Beatles were already making numerous promotional music video clips pointed in the direction of the modern promotional music video.
                    Paperback Writer video as well as Rain by The Beatles came out in 1966.


                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxjIBEZvx0

                    Guess we could spend a lot of time studying the tale of the tape as it were as to who broke out of the gates first.






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                      #11
                      Perhaps comparing the Jailhouse Rock video to the movie and calling it a music video is akin to taking 76 Trombones as a video from The Music Man movie and calling it a music video.

                      I think the point of calling something a "music video" is something that was music, but has independent production value which turned it into a stand-alone music video vs. being extracted from a larger work and called a music video.

                      Michael

                      P.S. I think we agree, but are expressing it in different ways.
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                        #12
                        The modern interpretation of a music video is a video that was created to promote the song in lieu of seeing the band or artist live.

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                          #13
                          Fascinating conversation, but I think we need a fork.

                          I liken this Beatles clip to what was always done on Top of the Pops, whatever that was called, versus what we know of today as a music video (didn't Queen do that first?).

                          What I mean is that they are simply faking to play and sing, to the music of the album version.

                          Does TOTP predate these Beatles "videos?" If not, American Bandstand must have. Was early AB like this? I don't know. It certainly was later; but I'm not sure if at some point they used actual live performances.

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                            #14
                            Bandstand at first was a "dance-party show" where they needle-dropped the music off the 45's, invited teens from the neighborhood school systems and lit and shot a dance-floor full of moving bodies. They had no problems filling the seats and floor as kids lined up around the block to get on TV. The 50's Bandstand pre-dated the Dick Clark version which became a "live performance" broadcast of the artists themselves although lip-synched to the released track in front of a live audience vs Ed Sullivan's show which had to be a live performance except in the instance of Gary Lewis and The Playboys who got to lip-synch because Gary's dad Jerry had pull with Ed.

                            Queen came up in the 70's and the Bohemian Rhapsody video is still considered a promotional video and that was in 1975.

                            Again focus on the stand alone promotional aspect of a music video that The Beatles presented all because they could never fulfill all the gig requests, as a starting point.

                            This is different from a dance party show or a music chart show that Bandstand was.

                            Tops Of The Pops was like pre- American Top 40 except TV and not radio and it was lip-synched performances. Later on TOTP gave the artists the option to sing a plus-one, a vocal over a backing track which is done today on many TV shows like The Tonight Show.

                            TOTP was to chart music ratings as did Casey Kasem on his radio show. Not really music videos in the way The Beatles put out. And although The Beatles hit in 1962 with Love Me Do, TOTP started in 1963 but TOTP didn't figure into the Fab Four sitting under a tree with their guitars in front of a film crew and director for the one particular song. TOTP was a music industry ratings show listing the hits of the days, weeks and months and of dozens of hit artists.

                            Keep in mind storyboard concepts for music videos when The Beatles started doing them was mostly like what we saw on The Monkees with lots of shtick and whimsy. That's how these videos started out because they didn't know what to do with themselves and the producers thought the artists running around acting goofy was something people might watch.

                            It's only recently these obscure Beatles music videos are being shown with the advent of Youtube and as far as background history on them, there isn't much info. We did not get to see them when they came out on a nation/world wide scale back then and even now, only if you happen to search for them on Youtube. They didn't make heavy rotation on MTV in the 80's.

                            After Ed Sullivan, The Beatles filled stadiums and if they appeared on national TV as a band performance, I don't know from where and when those videos would be. It would be concerts we get to see of the Fab Four.

                            When MTV hit, the video storyboard or what is called "treatment" really delved into creating visuals that were separate from the music more often than they had to do with the lyrics where following the lyrics too close was considered corny.

                            Case in point Photograph by Def Leppard.



                            Over time anything on video that has to do with music is now considered a "music video."

                            they are simply faking to play and sing, to the music of the album version.
                            Record companies, concerned their artists should sound like the records so as not to discourage buyers, insisted they lipsynched and an offshoot of this was the plus-one where a mix was done with a lowered final vocal track and then the artist would sing live and that track be mixed in over the backing tracks with the original vocals, giving a thicker sound yet a fail-safe in case the singer faltered someplace in the song. The record company's thoughts was most people would not understand why a live performance could sound different from the record and the companies didn't want to risk losing sales from an artist's off performance on one show.

                            For music videos, since the job was to sell the song and records, they again promoted the song, its recording and put visuals together with the song since people were becoming audiovisual and weaned off of radio.

                            Enter the first music video that launched MTV was by the Buggles:



                            But take note that a mix for a music video, a radio station, a TV performance were more often than not DIFFERENT MIXES of the song than you would get at the record store to take home to play on your stereo. They would purposely make different mixes to compensate for the differences in frequency response and nature of the medium playing the song.
                            Last edited by Goff; 09-22-2019, 06:33 PM.

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                              #15
                              It seems, from this discussion, that the term "music video" is rather loosely defined and what qualifies as one depends on one's preferred definition. The distinction between "a promotional video" and "a music video" seems rather meaningless to me.

                              The history of these things predates the popularity of television in the form of Soundies and Scopitones. These were the video jukeboxes of the '40s and '50s.
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