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  • myorgan
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    Originally posted by Goff
    Be that as it may, the database is what it is. Why do you think Zuckerberg started Facebook? So people could have a nice time online?
    Goff, I was one of the first 100-200K users of The FB when it was still between the colleges. For my masters, my professor required us to join a new "social networking site." I told her I'd just pick up the phone to call someone if I needed to talk to them!

    Mark Z. started FB because he was socially isolated, and wanted to find a date. The rest came later. Knowledge is power.

    Michael

  • myorgan
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    Thank you for the clarification, Ben. That helps us understand your manner of posting much better. If you don't mind me asking, does that also include dysgraphia?

    I have 2 students presently who are dyslexic. Have you ever tried a colored overlay? For some people, yellow helps, while for others, a light green or blue works for them. It takes some experimentation. We use the transparent report covers one can purchase at the local office supply store.

    Hope this helps.

    Michael

    P.S. I think I might be ADD as well, but they weren't diagnosing it when I was a child.

  • myorgan
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    And yet, KC, you left out a space after the word, "smart."

    Seriously, though, to some extent I equate one's grammar skills with their musical skills. For example, if one's writing is undisciplined, full of errors, and/or following random thoughts, I tend to believe that's how they perform–in an undisciplined way, full of errors, and/or following random themes, if any.

    That said, I have, on occasion run into exceptions to that belief. While working with incarcerated juveniles, it was quite interesting to hear how their music from when they arrived at the prison was so much different than their music upon leaving. Their music upon entry often reflected the discord in their lives, and for me, was a window into their mind. Once their life obtained some semblance of order and direction before they left, I would often play them an earlier recording from when they entered. Only then could they realize how far they'd come. Over 60% of my students there had an IEP, and at least one learning disability. It was nice to be part of their recovery and restoration to society. Some even attended Berklee upon release.

    Michael

  • Ben Madison
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    Show us your stuff, be willing to tune in.

  • Admin
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    Originally posted by Goff View Post
    Be that as it may, the database is what it is. Why do you think Zuckerberg started Facebook? So people could have a nice time online? No he did it to glean all the information on people which he sells to corporations that pay him for such info.

    Whether you make money at this now or later, the information in the database is worth something some time down the line. Yes the forum is free just as Facebook is free. But the information value accumulates whether one realizes it or not. And that is given at the expense of the poster.
    Which is irrelevant since the poster is exercising free-will in paying that expense. Further, knowledge is valuable and so there is no way to accumulate it without adding to its value. Now if you're advocating for socialism or communism whereby everything is held in common, I get your point, but we live in a capitalistic society in which everything can be, and typically is, monetized. The price to participate on Facebook is your privacy. You can choose to do so or not based on the value perceived in return. Whether that enriches Zuckerberg and his stock holders is irrelevant.

    The price to participate here, if you want to look at that way, is that your questions, answers, and comments are placed in a database that I pay for, maintain, and share without charge to the entire world.

    I did not insult you. I did not force you to react the way you did based on your misunderstanding of my position.

    If my participation is misunderstood then that is not my fault. And consequently not my loss!
    The meaning of a message is in how it's understood, not its intent. You made a generalized statement regarding Forums and Forum owners that did not exclude this Forum or myself that I found logically fallacious and insulting. I did not attack you, I told you how I perceived your comment.


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  • Organkeys Jones
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    Personally, organ music trumps politics. Currently, I'm biden' my time until I get a recently acquired 3-manual by AOC playing again. I hope to make that organ great again.

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  • Ben Madison
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    KC9UDX I am dyslexic and my ADD goes with it.

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  • andijah
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    I run a decent-sized forum myself (13.500 members since 2006) and it's totally free (and ad-free) - I understand that Admin reacted the way he did. Of course a forum database is "worth" something, but there are people on both sides of the big oceans who're in fact not interested in selling this information and who run their forums for other reasons than making money. Of course everything and everyone can be compromised in a way, but I'm generally looking on the bright side and assuming good things of people. Let's give each other the benefit of the doubt more often.

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  • Goff
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    Originally posted by Admin View Post
    People do not participate in Forums because they are compelled to. They participate because they perceive a benefit to themselves and others. That is the reason I started this Forum 16 years ago. I'd have been better off financially if I had spent the time I've put into this Forum over the years working a minimum wage job instead. The idea that Forum owners, such as myself, sit back and rake in the spoils of others efforts is naive and insulting to me.

    This is a free Forum. Its content is publicly viewable without charge or membership. If you feel you are being exploited by participating here, that is easily remedied.
    You misunderstood the gist of the intention of the post. That may not be perceived as "exploitation" per se but rather an inconsideration for the intentions were not as you pegged them.

    Be that as it may, the database is what it is. Why do you think Zuckerberg started Facebook? So people could have a nice time online? No he did it to glean all the information on people which he sells to corporations that pay him for such info.

    Whether you make money at this now or later, the information in the database is worth something some time down the line. Yes the forum is free just as Facebook is free. But the information value accumulates whether one realizes it or not. And that is given at the expense of the poster.
    I did not insult you. I did not force you to react the way you did based on your misunderstanding of my position.

    If my participation is misunderstood then that is not my fault. And consequently not my loss!

    Consider that other members got similar misgivings of the OP's post. And to reiterate, he got what he wanted and then some.

    You attacked the wrong person, sorry to say.


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  • Admin
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    Originally posted by Goff View Post

    It makes some not want to post anything.

    Consider that all members of this and other forums, add information to the sum total of the forum's database that cost time and money to glean to the poster, with insights that each contributes.

    This is done free of charge to the forum which in the end, the database and all the information belongs to the owners of the forum.

    Look at it as if thousands of farmers toil someone's land and all the produce goes to the one who owns the land.

    Thank you!
    People do not participate in Forums because they are compelled to. They participate because they perceive a benefit to themselves and others. That is the reason I started this Forum 16 years ago. I'd have been better off financially if I had spent the time I've put into this Forum over the years working a minimum wage job instead. The idea that Forum owners, such as myself, sit back and rake in the spoils of others efforts is naive and insulting to me.

    This is a free Forum. Its content is publicly viewable without charge or membership. If you feel you are being exploited by participating here, that is easily remedied.

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  • Goff
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    Originally posted by Admin View Post
    I tend to bristle at generalizations such as this. The fact is that people participate in topic based Forums to discuss that topic, not politics, unless of course the topic is politics. To assume that forum owners are either too lazy or financially invested to permit cult followers and conspiracy theorists to spew their off-topic rhetoric is ridiculous. The term blackmail in this context is a non-sequitur.
    The term "blackmail" was not against forum owners but the PTB who are indeed trying to control the narrative. Had the inference of actor Sasha Baron Cohen's very recent speech at the ADL been understood then there is no non-sequitur but rather a misunderstanding of the intent and its real implications.

    " Lazy" wasn't the word in mind, more of an understood hesitation to moderate a sticky subject that is outside the natural topic of the forum.

    Perhaps it was not made clear enough. Some feathers were unintentionally ruffled!

    The term "conspiracy theorists" is precisely the thought control that was concocted by the CIA when they did to #35.

    "Conspiracy fact" is the word that many should tune into.

    It appears that the OP got what he wanted after all.

    The name of the subject is "politics" after-all isn't it?

    This thread should've been deleted or moved to the other rooms that this type of discussion is allowed rather than assume that a post is all "rhetoric" and "ridiculous."

    It makes some not want to post anything.

    Consider that all members of this and other forums, add information to the sum total of the forum's database that cost time and money to glean to the poster, with insights that each contributes.

    This is done free of charge to the forum which in the end, the database and all the information belongs to the owners of the forum.

    Look at it as if thousands of farmers toil someone's land and all the produce goes to the one who owns the land.

    Thank you!

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  • Admin
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    I agree, but it is far more difficult to find common ground in a text based discussion with anonymous stranger on the Internet than with a person seated across from you as other communication cues are absent. Hence, my qualification of "on the Internet."

  • Admin
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    Originally posted by Goff View Post
    All forums have politics sanctions because it is either off-topic or just banned. Either the forum owners don't want to deal with it or are worried their livelihoods will be financially impacted for hosting a truth forum. It is blackmail nonetheless.
    I tend to bristle at generalizations such as this. The fact is that people participate in topic based Forums to discuss that topic, not politics, unless of course the topic is politics. To assume that forum owners are either too lazy or financially invested to permit cult followers and conspiracy theorists to spew their off-topic rhetoric is ridiculous. The term blackmail in this context is a non-sequitur.

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  • KC9UDX
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    To be far more honest than I normally would like to be, I have to admit that the first time I read the OP, I shook my head in pity for what I thought was a drunk putting his foot in his mouth. I don't assume that this is the case, and still give the benefit of doubt. I only bring this up to emphasise that there is good reason to write in a presentable manner.

    There's a fellow that frequents another forum that I read who posts similarly. When called out on it, he explained that he is dyslexic. I can't relate to that and sadly can't even fathom such a disability. I was blessed (and certainly not trying to boast about it) with above average spelling and grammar talents. (I do certainly have my faults!) But even as I "type" this on a "smart"phone, I am constantly checking and correcting errors. Do I catch them all? No. But some of them are pretty wild. Google's (and Apple's, probably others') choice of words sometimes appears to be on an agenda of political correctness. The results could be very embarrassing, to say the least, at times.

  • Goff
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    Originally posted by Ben Madison View Post
    Ok, it seems this has gotten to a bad start. so I am going to reframe the discussion.

    Politics has seem to ruin entertainment everytime it has been brought in. I, do not want to have to deal with politics when it comes to theatre pipe organs. The reason being is that this is something that I use to get away from it all. Also, another reason I bring this up is because, I feel as time marches by theatre pipe organ are faced with the possibility of going mainstream again and knowing that the current political climate is volitle and the chances of ripping this community apart is great and what was once a cohesive community has now been trashed.

    Yes there is a time and place for kind of political discourse, it should not be in the theatre pipe organ.

    instead lets come and gather around the console for a day of peace and sing some happy tunes and forget the cares of the day.

    Thoughts?
    KC9UDX said: I can't even imagine why you'd bring this up if it isn't happening. Unless, you're deliberately baiting someone. If not, you should know where the tuning knob is; else it's probably a bad idea to turn the radio on.
    I echo KC9UDX's sentiment. I got the same feeling.

    What you said does not make sense Ben Madison. You said
    I feel as time marches by theatre pipe organ are faced with the possibility of going mainstream again and knowing that the current political climate is volitle and the chances of ripping this community apart is great and what was once a cohesive community has now been trashed.
    You claim worry over something that has not happened.

    Even if so, not being prepared will reenact what happened in the photo below.

    And then you make a generalization that a "once cohesive community now has been trashed" is ridiculous.

    Do you know what the photo below is about?

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