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  • myorgan
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    [quote user="Mark Pratt"] When is it appropriate to play this tune? When not to play it?[/quote]


    I've used it for Christmas, Easter, weddings (bridesmaids' processional, prelude, bride's entry), and funerals as well as for general service music at any other time of year. Whether that is correct text-wise or not, I'm not sure, but people appear to appreciate it any time it's played well.</P>


    [quote user="Mark Pratt"]What shoud the tempo be?[/quote]</P>


    The <U>ABSOLUTE</U> slowest I'd play it is m=56/triplet. Even at that tempo, it tends to drag. I've heard it as quick as m=80/triplet, and to my ear, it sounds frantic--or like someone's trying to show off. To me, it's a relaxing piece and should be played that way. I've heard people play the individual notes of the triplet as if theyeach had the beat (OK, it's my wife on violin![:$]), and it was painful to listen to--not to mention that I had to accompany it.</P>


    [quote user="Mark Pratt"]Can you recommend other tunes of this type by Bach of about the same or a little lower level of difficulty? I would prefer complitations so I don't have to buy them individually.[/quote]</P>


    There is a piece of sheet music from the St. Cecilia series (blue cover) which contains two Bach pieces. One is God's Time is [the] Best (I've seen it written both ways), and Arioso (aka Air on the G String). They are quite nice, but simple to learn.</P>


    Hope this helps.</P>


    Michael</P>

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  • saudade
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    In Dulci Jubilo isn't as hard, I think it's a musette, with a sustained pedal note or 2 throughout. There are so many of them written by him and others, the one I mean is bwv 751. It's in several Bach compilations. And Christmas is coming! (It's a Christmas tune).</P>


    Jesu Joy of Man's desiring has a special place in my heart,I played it at myfirst recital in 1989. At that time I had also to research it and here's what I remember (correctly I hope!):</P>


    Jesu Joy is titled Jesus bleibet meine Freude and is fromBach's cantata 147, dealing with the Visitation. The Cantata is set to choir and instruments, including lots of oboes. In the organ transcription the right hand melody is playing the original vocal part,ornamenting the chorale Werde Munter Mein Gemuthe, an older chorale tune from 1642. I think the Trevor edition has the chorale in the pedal. Overall this piece is one of the most beautiful and timeless treatments of a chorale tune, I think. (My second favorite is the Wachet Auf, a similar kind of treatment, more difficult I think, and a Shubler chorale written for organ.)</P>


    Here's some info on the chorale with mention of Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring near the end. http://www.bach-cantatas.com/CM/Werde-munter.htm As far as when it is appropriate to play it, I'm sure some research on Cantata 147 would reveal that.May 31st is the celebration of The Visitation but the tune is so popular it is played almost at the drop of a hat. By any and all instrumentation too. I've heard it at weddings, communions, confirmations etc etc etc. As far as tempo, listen to a few you tubes and decide for yourself, a steady pulse is important of course, being baroque, but I think it can be done successfully within a range of tempi. </P>


    I think it's one of the best organ transcriptions around. </P>
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  • Mark Pratt
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    Now that I have returned to the organ I've finally decided to learn the C.H. Trevor (simplified)version thats been lying around since 1975. I have a few questions.</P>


    When is it appropriate to play this tune? When not to play it? </P>


    What shoud the tempo be?</P>


    Can you recommend other tunes of this type by Bach of about the same or a little lower level of difficulty? I would prefer complitations so I don't have to buy them individually. </P>

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  • soubasse32
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    I like that one too! I suppose it is because that edition was the first one I learned.</P>


    There is also an interesting (but difficult) piano version by Wilhelm Kempff. Itis fullof LH octaves and hand crossings.</P>

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  • quantum
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    Myra Hess - solo piano. I've always loved this one.
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  • Havoc
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    Don't have it or play it: they're all pretty cheesy (nad that being mild after a good dinner).

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  • myorgan
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    Just curious....which version of "Jesu" do you play? I've always played the E. Power Biggs arrangment.
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    Ditto!!!! My wife has several she uses with violin, and they're all $%^*$@. Was my French accent good enough?</P>


    Michael</P>

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  • saudade
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    I like the C. H. Trevor version, Oxford Univ. Press 1966.

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  • ReedGuy
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    The one I usually play is an arrangement by Harvey Grace, Oxford University Press. </P>


    Cheers! </P>

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  • Don Furr
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    Don,</p>


    I have the same one (Saint Cecelia series). But "having" it and "playing" it are two different things!</p>


    That's a lovely arrangement, and I wish I'd make myself learn to play it. For a wedding I once played a duet with a cello using some other arrangement, and enjoyed it immensely. I was playingpiano, not organ, and didn't find it too difficult. But I'd sure love to be able toplay this one.</p>


    John</p>
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    lol John, I didn't find it all that difficult but it did take me a few days to work it out. At least it's in a "simple" key!!! I had to copy the pages and line 'em up on the music rack because I just can not take my hand off the keys to turn pages....ha ha I'm not that fast.
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    Don,</P>


    I have the same one (Saint Cecelia series). But "having" it and "playing" it are two different things!</P>


    That's a lovely arrangement, and I wish I'd make myself learn to play it. For a wedding I once played a duet with a cello using some other arrangement, and enjoyed it immensely. I was playingpiano, not organ, and didn't find it too difficult. But I'd sure love to be able toplay this one.</P>


    John</P>
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  • Don Furr
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    Just curious....which version of "Jesu" do you play? I've always played the E. Power Biggs arrangment.
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