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    Why do I have no place in this Forum?

    Why is there such a bias against modern organs/organists?

    Why is there prejudice against automatics or accompaniments?

    Why can't I show you what I can do with a modern organ? Is it because Traditional Organists can't do the same ting I can? Is it because I'm "A Cheater"?

    Why is there no place for me in this "Organ Forum"?

    Where do I post my music videos? Why isn't there at least a category of "Other"?

    Why a stereotype of "Organ Music"?

    You don't like all the blinking lights? Close your eyes and listen.

    I don't stop you from being "old school". Why are you stopping me from being "New School"?


    Thank you for your time,
    Joe
    Current Instrument... Lowrey (EX5000) Marquee
    Previous Instruments Lowrey (LX500) Celebration | Yamaha (FX20) Electone | Lowrey (C500) Celebration | Lowrey (CO80) Contempo 80
    Videos & Files........... "Anadrac Organ Works" on YouTube | More organ music on my website
    Find me on .............. Facebook | More About Me
    Location .................. Rio Rancho, NM: USA

    #2
    I'm not sure I'm following this. Don't see any bias or prejudice against any type of organs or organists. Only thing asked is that it is about an instrument that any sensible person would call "an organ". I'm pretty sure that in parts of the forum I do not visit there are automatic organs (using books or midi) discussed, restored and "played". I do not see what else than "organ music" you wold call music to be played on an instrument we call an "organ".

    Sure the mods could add a category "other" but I fail to see what isn't already covered in all the sub forums. I agree that Messian shouldn't be called music at all but for some reason the majority of the music establishment has decreed for it to be called classical music. So I'm pretty sure everything is covered.

    What exactly is your point?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Havoc View Post
      What exactly is your point?
      I'm a Lowrey organ player.

      There are many who hate Lowrey, but that's their opinion and I try hard not to let that affect me. I'm not the only Lowrey player who receives negative criticism.

      I'm not sure what my music classification is, but it doesn't fit in the current categories for posting my videos. It's doesn't sound like "organ music". When someone clicks on those sub-groups, they are expecting a certain type of sound or music right? Check out my Youtube channel. Where do you think I fit in?

      As a Lowrey Organist, I've never felt accepted here and that could be my own misunderstanding.
      Current Instrument... Lowrey (EX5000) Marquee
      Previous Instruments Lowrey (LX500) Celebration | Yamaha (FX20) Electone | Lowrey (C500) Celebration | Lowrey (CO80) Contempo 80
      Videos & Files........... "Anadrac Organ Works" on YouTube | More organ music on my website
      Find me on .............. Facebook | More About Me
      Location .................. Rio Rancho, NM: USA

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        #4
        I confess that I don't understand your criticism--all organ players and people interested in all kinds of organs are welcome here. While many here won't prefer Lowrey--and you could substitute any other type of organ for Lowrey--as their choice of organ, there are many who do like them, and they are welcome here.

        This is not primarily a video posting site, and I don't see it becoming that. It is a site mostly for civil discussion, commentary, education, and assistance. It serves that function better than any of the other groups or forums that I know of. This is not a statement of the purpose of the forum or its future, just an observation of what I have seen.

        As far as where the Lowrey fits in this forum, as instruments, the "Home Organ" sub-forum seems to me to be the obvious fit--that's the category for organs that don't try to sound like pipe organs or reed organs, though the name of the category might not describe the sound perfectly. For music and links to videos, the "Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop and Theatre" is likely the best fit.

        The largest sub-forums here (based on thread count) are the Hammond forum (13,599) ; followed by Home Organs (3,834), then Classical (2,914), then Theatre (959). The music forums are much smaller in thread count than the instrument forums, but there are a lot of postings under those threads.

        When I click on your profile, I only find four threads, so I'd say jump right in and start discussions that are of interest to you.

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          #5
          Originally posted by toodles View Post
          I confess that I don't understand your criticism
          Then I apparently suck at expressing myself using words.

          Originally posted by toodles View Post
          For music and links to videos, the "Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop and Theatre" is likely the best fit.
          Thank you

          Originally posted by toodles View Post
          When I click on your profile, I only find four threads, so I'd say jump right in and start discussions that are of interest to you.
          OK, but when the snobs come out saying they are glad Lowrey is dying... I'm gonna jump on them.
          Current Instrument... Lowrey (EX5000) Marquee
          Previous Instruments Lowrey (LX500) Celebration | Yamaha (FX20) Electone | Lowrey (C500) Celebration | Lowrey (CO80) Contempo 80
          Videos & Files........... "Anadrac Organ Works" on YouTube | More organ music on my website
          Find me on .............. Facebook | More About Me
          Location .................. Rio Rancho, NM: USA

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            #6
            I mis-spoke--I do understand your criticism, I just don't think it is valid.

            There is a thread on Lowrey's demise, and I only saw one troll, but it had a nice counter response to it: see posts #5 (for the snark) and #7 for the rebuttal in this thread: https://www.organforum.com/forums/sh...Lowrey-closing

            One snobbish comment out of 37, where the thrust was a decent discussion of the situation--get on with life and enjoy your music.

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              #7
              Originally posted by toodles View Post
              I mis-spoke--I do understand your criticism, I just don't think it is valid.
              Of course not
              Current Instrument... Lowrey (EX5000) Marquee
              Previous Instruments Lowrey (LX500) Celebration | Yamaha (FX20) Electone | Lowrey (C500) Celebration | Lowrey (CO80) Contempo 80
              Videos & Files........... "Anadrac Organ Works" on YouTube | More organ music on my website
              Find me on .............. Facebook | More About Me
              Location .................. Rio Rancho, NM: USA

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                #8
                Originally posted by jcardana View Post
                Why is there such a bias against modern organs/organists?
                Why is there prejudice against automatics or accompaniments?
                This is an open forum and people are free to express their opinions in a respectful manner. There is no bias in the administration or the moderation of this forum regarding the content that is posted here.

                Why can't I show you what I can do with a modern organ? Is it because Traditional Organists can't do the same ting I can? Is it because I'm "A Cheater"?
                What's stopping you?

                Why is there no place for me in this "Organ Forum"?
                The Home Organ category is the second most popular forum on this site. There are 60 threads tagged with Lowrey and a search turns up nearly 500 threads containing the word "Lowrey" in one or more posts. If Lowrey isn't a home organ, I don't know what would be.

                Where do I post my music videos? Why isn't there at least a category of "Other"?

                Why a stereotype of "Organ Music"?
                Let's see, in the Organ Music forum we have Classical, Liturgical & Gospel, and Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop & Theatre sub forums. I think that about covers it. What type music are you playing that doesn't fit into one of those categories?

                You don't like all the blinking lights? Close your eyes and listen.

                I don't stop you from being "old school". Why are you stopping me from being "New School"?
                Let me know who's stopping you so we can continue this discussion.
                -Admin

                Allen 965
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                  #9
                  Hi, Joe,

                  I hope somebody hasn't made you feel unwelcome. I've only recently started with organs, but I have one reed organ, one theater organ, two church organs, and three home Hammonds (so far). One owner in Florida that I bought an organ from had a big, handsome Lowrey with some patriotic over-the-top name in his living room, and the guy told me that he'd only had it a few weeks and wasn't up on all the features yet. (He also had a sliding glass garage door to show off his Corvette and two Harleys, which also impressed me.)

                  I also looked at your Youtube a month or two ago and thought that you were a very proficient organist.
                  -- I'm Lamar -- 1967 Allen TC-4 Project (forum thread)
                  -- 1899 Kimball Parlor Organ (forum thread)
                  -- 1999 Rodgers W5000C and Hauptwerk - spare W5000C for spares
                  -- Conn 643 Theater - Hammond M3 and E-112 - Roland RD300nx stage piano
                  -- Public domain hymn search: https://songselect.ccli.com/search/r...t=publicdomain

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by toodles View Post
                    There is a thread on Lowrey's demise, and I only saw one troll, but it had a nice counter response to it
                    Apparently I've been misunderstood. I have no problem with Lowreys (I own one that I'm very fond of!). I don't care about the blinky lights one way nor the other. But clearly many people do. I don't like auto-accompaniment. This is a main feature of modern Lowreys (and other brands). I don't dislike organs for having it. I don't dislike someone using these features when used well. Heck, I've used them.

                    My post was pointing out how I feel that people who complain about the blinky lights on organs will probably find them less distasteful now that they're harder to get.

                    I'm not happy about Kawai giving up on Lowrey. But it doesn't bother me and here's why: clearly they have determined that it isn't worthwhile anymore. So it isn't. The only way they could keep going would either lead to Kawai losing money to the point of failure, or, Lowreys turning into cheap junk, just to be more profitable (less cost to make means more profit).

                    Let it go. Lowrey will never be the same again. If some other manufacturer starts making organs and calling them Lowreys, they won't be Lowreys, and this will make all genuine Lowreys less valuable and less reputable. Look what happens with all the other brands that end up this way. There are plenty of Lowreys out there for anyone who wants one. We don't need 2020 models.

                    You will find that I am a subscriber to Anadrac Organ Works. I don't subscribe to channels I don't like. My views don't always count in YouTube's view count. I'm not the only one like this. Plus, YouTube is monkeying with the view counts to make them lower than they are; I can prove this. So don't think anyone's not watching your videos. I don't normally "Like" YouTube videos because I don't usually want them showing up in my Liked Videos playlist. If you're getting a lot of dislikes, don't worry about it. For whatever reason in the last year or so a lot of YouTube users are going round hitting the dislike button a lot. Maybe they're upset about YouTube. Maybe they're just trying to irritate you. Likes and dislikes don't reflect how most viewers actually feel about your videos. I've got a few videos that I've had numerous people tell me in person how much they liked the video, yet the videos have no likes and many dislikes!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by toodles View Post
                      As far as where the Lowrey fits in this forum, as instruments, the "Home Organ" sub-forum seems to me to be the obvious fit--that's the category for organs that don't try to sound like pipe organs or reed organs, though the name of the category might not describe the sound perfectly. For music and links to videos, the "Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop and Theatre" is likely the best fit.
                      Good summation of the Forums available.

                      Originally posted by Silken Path View Post
                      I also looked at your Youtube a month or two ago and thought that you were a very proficient organist.
                      Joe,

                      Perhaps Lamar has hit upon the problem. Maybe others view your video(s) and are so impressed they feel like they have nothing to add, or that their skills are not similar to yours, so they don't comment. I remember viewing one of your videos and being impressed by what you could do with the Lowrey, but I posted nothing in return–not because I didn't like it. Rather, because I had nothing to offer you in response other than a canned comment like, "Good job!" I also remember after I viewed your video, I pulled out my copy of Somewhere My Love from Dr. Zhivago, and attempted to play it as I used to 40 years ago on my Lowrey.

                      I am also a Lowrey owner, but one of the older models. The newer Lowrey organs are a bit mystifying to me. It's not that I don't like the new models or the music produced by those who play them. I simply have such limited time between all my activities (concert band, music teacher, academic teacher, church music director/organist/choir director, symphony organist, private music teacher, etc.), I find I need to limit my focus–and this is after retirement! I'm not rich enough to sit back and enjoy my instruments or play to my heart's content.

                      Count your blessings, and don't feel like you have no place on the Forum. You do. You might just be surprised where that leads you.

                      Michael

                      P.S. Did I mention on weekends, I'm also currently building my own garage to house my organs? Last wall getting closed in on the next sunny day!
                      Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                      • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                      • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                      • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by KC9UDX View Post
                        You will find that I am a subscriber to Anadrac Organ Works.
                        Thank you
                        I don't normally "Like" YouTube videos because I don't usually want them showing up in my Liked Videos playlist. If you're getting a lot of dislikes, don't worry about it. For whatever reason in the last year or so a lot of YouTube users are going round hitting the dislike button a lot. Maybe they're upset about YouTube. Maybe they're just trying to irritate you. Likes and dislikes don't reflect how most viewers actually feel about your videos. I've got a few videos that I've had numerous people tell me in person how much they liked the video, yet the videos have no likes and many dislikes!
                        Thank you for this info.

                        Fair... I don't always post responses either.
                        I also remember after I viewed your video, I pulled out my copy of Somewhere My Love from Dr. Zhivago, and attempted to play it as I used to 40 years ago on my Lowrey.
                        Yes! That's the intention of my music. To get people playing.
                        The newer Lowrey organs are a bit mystifying to me.
                        Since the newer organs are just computers, by me being a computer geek, I have an advantage.
                        My dad had the same time constraints after retiring.
                        I'm not rich enough to sit back and enjoy my instruments or play to my heart's content.
                        I'm lucky to work 3 days/week.
                        Count your blessings, and don't feel like you have no place on the Forum. You do. You might just be surprised where that leads you.
                        Yes, thank you! God has already taken out one of my teeth for complaining about the FREE Marquee I got, not being "made" from Oak. So, yes I can be a dumb ass as I think this whole thread demonstrates.

                        Originally posted by Admin View Post
                        This is an open forum and people are free to express their opinions in a respectful manner. There is no bias in the administration or the moderation of this forum regarding the content that is posted here.
                        Yes, that's fair.
                        Let's see, in the Organ Music forum we have Classical, Liturgical & Gospel, and Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop & Theatre sub forums. I think that about covers it. What type music are you playing that doesn't fit into one of those categories?
                        The descriptions all refer to sounds and styles. I suppose my category of music would be contemporary. But three people now, have told me to use this category. So I will and if anyone states my video links don't belong there, I'll bring it to the attention of admins. I'm accustomed to the FlightSim community. Threads and Topics are strictly adhered to.


                        When I wrote my initial post, I was calm and collected. I even had my wife read it before posting. After re-reading it over and over, and the responses... I get the impression I sound like a cry baby.

                        I am not the only person who feels "beat up on". There are many members of the Lowrey Organ forum who don't come here anymore. But, like initially stated by Admin... this forum does not discriminate. But some people do. I need to stop letting the minority get to me.

                        Do I sound like an adult again? My appologies.
                        Current Instrument... Lowrey (EX5000) Marquee
                        Previous Instruments Lowrey (LX500) Celebration | Yamaha (FX20) Electone | Lowrey (C500) Celebration | Lowrey (CO80) Contempo 80
                        Videos & Files........... "Anadrac Organ Works" on YouTube | More organ music on my website
                        Find me on .............. Facebook | More About Me
                        Location .................. Rio Rancho, NM: USA

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jcardana View Post
                          The descriptions all refer to sounds and styles.I suppose my category of music would be contemporary.
                          Classical, Liturgical & Gospel, and Rock, Blues, Jazz, Pop & Theatre are music genres. Contemporary is an adjective that can be applied to any of them.

                          I am not the only person who feels "beat up on". There are many members of the Lowrey Organ forum who don't come here anymore. But, like initially stated by Admin... this forum does not discriminate. But some people do.
                          Very sorry you feel that this has occurred on this site. Personal attacks are not tolerated on this Forum. If you feel personally disrespected, click the triangle icon in the action bar under the offending post and report it. (see also https://www.organforum.com/forums/sh...o-be-offensive).

                          The Organ Forum isn't a support group, it's a place to trade information, ideas, and opinions. Unfortunately, many fail to make the distinction between a difference of opinion and a personal attack. My wife likes Brussel Sprouts. I tell her I don't because they stink. That's not a personal attack. If I said instead, only stupid people with no taste like them, well that's a different kettle of fish.
                          -Admin

                          Allen 965
                          Zuma Group Midi Keyboard Encoder
                          Zuma Group DM Midi Stop Controller
                          Hauptwerk 4.2

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                            #14
                            Joe, I think the reason that a lot of folks won't post on YouTube is that they make a channel for you whether you want one or not - and if anybody goes there they can find out your subscriptions.

                            Oh, and the reason I listed all the the types of organs I have in the previous post is because the forum has been supportive for each one as I've considered each the latest and greatest.

                            I *do* understand your point, however (I think).
                            -- I'm Lamar -- 1967 Allen TC-4 Project (forum thread)
                            -- 1899 Kimball Parlor Organ (forum thread)
                            -- 1999 Rodgers W5000C and Hauptwerk - spare W5000C for spares
                            -- Conn 643 Theater - Hammond M3 and E-112 - Roland RD300nx stage piano
                            -- Public domain hymn search: https://songselect.ccli.com/search/r...t=publicdomain

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                              #15
                              Ironically, if you set up your own YouTube channel, you can choose to keep your subscriptions hidden, as well as of course use a user name that isn't your real name. You will find a lot of people who have full blown channels with no content for this reason.

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