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    I came across a Rodgers 990 church organ on *bay and was wondering if that 8k they're asking is right for that organ? I'm a gospel player on Hammonds so I dont know too much about pricing for other brands. I grew up playing more "High-Anthem" church sounding organs before I made the switch over to more gospel playing (about 30 years ago) Without throwing any mud around here...LOL....could someone tell me what it would be worth if not the 8k they're asking?
    Oh and it comes with quite a few amps, speakers too....supposedly all in great maintained working condition
    Thanks!

  • #2
    Well....the truth of the matter is that any organ out there is worth what someone is willing to pay for it...not always what the asking price is. In the case of a Rodgers 990, that is a large 3-manual organ with a very comprehensive specification. If you were buying just the console, the case alone would cost more than the 8 thousand they are asking for the whole organ...BUT again, refer to the first part of my reply. The console for that organ is REALLY heavy because it has several racks of generators inside the console, plus the heavy-duty power supply and memory circuitry to run the stop controls. Keep in mind that the purchase price is just the start of the costs to acquire the instrument...it will take a large truck and several people to move it, preferrably people with previous experience moving these beasts. AND you need a lot of space to install it at the new 'home'. For comparison, however, a new Rodgers digital with similar specs would run the buyer about 85 thousand (installed).
    Rick in VA

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    • #3
      Thanks Rick!
      It just sounds too good to be true. So I contacted the people that were put in charge of selling this organ (currently resides in a Baptist church in Ark.) I've asked for additional information on the organ console itself....what repairs it will need if any, is there any tuning and or calibrations that will be needed...etc. Plus I also asked seperatley about the audio system and what it may need....trying to "ballpark" what I'll be up against should I make a offer on this organ. Shipping is no problem as I have all the logistics and man power available with the right equipment.....no little home depot 4 wheel dollies here! I'm guesstimating the weight of the console between 650-750 pounds? I'm checking into that as well. Again as for the pricing I'm astonished that Organs (Rodgers, Allen, Conn) have dropped so much in value (used)??! I know most churches dont even spec out a "electronic" pipe organ hardly anymore....most are getting rid of theirs due to the contemporary music in the services now. Yikes! Whats this world coming to???!
      Dean

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      • #4
        A friend of mine was given a 3 manual 800 series from the same era by a church after they were quoted $4000 to repair it. As my friend is a retired organ tech he was able to get it running again for what amounted to little more than a bunch of time and a couple of hundred dollars.

        Be aware however that Rodgers seems to have gone the Allen route and will no longer sell service manuals to anyone but their authorized technicians. He contacted Rodgers and was told to contact the local service rep. He tried, but never got a call back from the guy after several attempts. He was finally able to talk Rodgers into providing the schematics and fortunately, the few parts he needed he was able to obtain through standard sources. Don't know if he would have been able to obtain parts from Rodgers without going through their service network.
        -Admin

        Allen 965
        Zuma Group Midi Keyboard Encoder
        Zuma Group DM Midi Stop Controller
        Hauptwerk 4.2

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin View Post
          ...Be aware however that Rodgers seems to have gone the Allen route and will no longer sell service manuals to anyone but their authorized technicians....
          That is really MOST EXCELLENT news! :P :o :embarrassed: X-( The sooner Allen and Rodgers make themselves completely irrelevant to the modern organ world by pricing themselves out of the new purchase and maintenance cost market (which will soon revolve around user configured MIDI driven sampled sound engines such as Hauptwerk) the better. Stuffy churches too poor for a pipe organ may still buy these overpriced, over costly to maintain, organs, but the average church organist will have other more feasible options.

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          • #6
            Hi

            Dell, I agree with you for the most part. I can't see why the end user can't procure schematics and service manuals at least for instruments that are two or more generations old. They really have nothing to fear in terms of someone trying to reverse engineer their product and then to commercially manufacture it. And by the way, most new organ schematics don't tell you a whole lot, as what makes them tick is software.

            I understand that Allen and Rodgers have a vested interest in keeping their service people and or their dealers happy by monopolizing service work and selling of parts, but once an instrument is over 10 years old, owners of organs generally prefer the cheapest way to get repairs done. Sometimes individuals like to fix them themselves. Many things can be done by them.

            So I say, make service documents available, even charge for it. Charge for tech support over the phone. That is alright as well. People need to make a living.

            It is interesting that I can get schematics for any Johannus, Viscount or Content organ, just by asking. I have all the A-G ones for the last 24 years. I have loads of analog Rodgers schematics/trouble shooting guides and company service bulletins. I have a MOS-1 service manual. And of course I have the Classic tech files, AOB and Shaw tech files for several organs. Most of the time I do not need them, but at other times you can't get very far without them.

            Every Johannus organ gets shipped an organ user's manual and schematics. A-G supplies a set of schematics if requested. I'm not sure why Allen and Rodgers feel threatened about doing the same.

            I agree too, in 5 years or less, Allen and Rodgers may not be around....as the virtual organ market will have put the boots to these companies.

            AV

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            • #7
              Thanks guys for the input...I think I'll pass on this since I heard back from the owner(s). I can understand why they're selling it but by the time I get it here on the west coast, set up and whatever repaired I cannot justify the cost involved. I did check into the Hauptwerk software online and that seems to be the most feasible except I'm trying to figure out what people who buy this software use as a keyboard(s) I would also like to know of whom owns this software how they like it?? Sorry if this subject has been over the coals before but I think after 30+ years I've been biten by the pipe bug! LOL

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              • #8
                Hamman,

                Unfortunately, to set up a really nice Hauptwerk project is not going to be cheap. I just did a forum search for "Hauptwerk + setup" and came up with these threads which you may wish to resurrect...I for one had not see the documentary by Stefanussen, who has some very nice organ demos as well. For free, you can also consider Miditzer (for Theater organ) or jOrgan (very flexible but still in rapid open source development and has some growing pains).

                MIDI hardware controller options (if your organ console doesn't already have full midi):
                http://www.hauptwerk.com/support/midi-hardware/
                If memory serves, Cameron Carpenter uses the Hoffrichter console, which makes it good enough for me (if I could afford it!)

                Hauptwerk Convert -> Evangelist discussion:
                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?8968

                Documentary on Stefanussen's organ (on YouTube):
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWdacyqJK8&fmt=18


                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5412


                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?16564


                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?15896


                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?12191

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?8903

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?11283

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10985

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10347

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?8219

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9755


                Adding Midi to an organ:
                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?7170

                http://www.organforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5322
                Last edited by DellAnderson; 05-28-2011, 11:02 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DellAnderson View Post
                  Hamman,
                  Unfortunately, to set up a really nice Hauptwerk project is not going to be cheap.
                  You are right! I just got done penciling the cost of putting something together and I'm in the same ballpark as that Rodgers in expense.. Although I would, IMHO, have a far superior sounding organ be it virtual. Ugghhh! So in the mean time is there any suggestions as far as just getting some sampler sofware or even plug in for just a simple 88 note midi keybaord?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hamman View Post
                    You are right! I just got done penciling the cost of putting something together and I'm in the same ballpark as that Rodgers in expense.. Although I would, IMHO, have a far superior sounding organ be it virtual. Ugghhh! So in the mean time is there any suggestions as far as just getting some sampler sofware or even plug in for just a simple 88 note midi keybaord?
                    First of all, comparing a Rodgers to a Hauptwerk system is a bit like comparing a pocket calculator to a computer. So much more flexibility with the latter. A lot depends on what you have and where you want to go with it. I'll bet we'll get much more input on this subject if we start a new thread with a more appropriate title. There are several free options software-wise, so if you are just interested in playing with an 88 key MIDI controller you already have, you are all set with just a computer, soundcard, amp, and speakers. I'll start a thread for you to post your particular goals:
                    http://www.organforum.com/forums/sho...531#post238531

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