Reverb for Rodgers model 220...

[jmmtech]

It's not in a church but it's a church model so... It's old but the sound is good nevertheless; there is no reverb and the guy wants a reverb to simulate the "church sound" at home. It has 2 amp (external). I tried to intercept the signal from the organ to one of the amplifier to feed a digital reverb unbit (Behringer), but with no luck... Someone has any idea of what can be done here?
Thanks,
JMM

[dave vincent]

Does it have the optional practice panel? If so, it has a mixed-down signal you can use for a reverb output, using the spring box connections for the new reverb and then use the line outs to run the reverb amp and speakers.

DMV

[toodles]

If it has a practice panel, that is the way to do it as Dave indicates. If not, your idea of inserting it between the organ outputs and the organ amps is a good approach and will work if done correctly. The insertion is probably most easily done in the console unless you have a supply of the 5-pin connectors. I'd unsolder the output signal wires off the output panel (on the back), and run those into the reverb, and take the reverb unit outputs back into the output connectors on the output panel where the wires originally connected.

If you have 5-pin connectors, you can make patch cables that do the same thing without moving wires around. Just make sure the DC voltage connects through uninterrupted.

[dave vincent]

I thought of another approach: I think the 220 has echo switches on the stop rail as standard equipment. If an echo organ speaker was installed in the church, there should be an echo adapter box. You might use the echo adapter's output to run your reverb channel.

DMV

[jmmtech]

I'd unsolder the output signal wires off the output panel (on the back), and run those into the reverb, and take the reverb unit outputs back into the output connectors on the output panel where the wires originally connected.

That's exactly what I've try to do, but the signal there seems to low for the Behringer (FEX-800);

[Hamman]

Did you look underneath the key desk(s) on the right side to see if you have the practice panel? Mine on my 850....same as a 220....its mounted there and has reverb and headphone jacks. I didn't even know I had it till I was crawling around underneath the keyboards....still don't like the Rodgers reverb so I'll be waiting to find out what your signal level issue is;-)

[NoTalent]

I tried to intercept the signal from the organ to one of the amplifier to feed a digital reverb unbit (Behringer), but with no luck...

Unless the Behringer requires higher input levels than a standard reverb (Alesis, for instance), that should have worked.

[toodles]

The Behringer processors I'm familiar with have balanced inputs--are you sure you have the connectors done correctly for unbalanced inputs like the Rodgers?

[jmmtech]

The Behringer processors I'm familiar with have balanced inputs--are you sure you have the connectors done correctly for unbalanced inputs like the Rodgers?

The Minifex is a small stereo processor unit, but only one input can be used in mono (left); I sent the Main signal output of the organ in the left input of the Minifex, then the output back to the amplifier. Result: nothing at the output (only hum); no led blinking from the level indication meter. I checked the FEX800 with another source (CD player), and it worked just fine. Maybe another brand of processor unit with a better input sensibility would do better, I don't know...

[twnelson]

Hmmm... I run Behringer Virtualizer Pro 2024s on both my Rodgers 660 and 760 between the output panels and amps using the single-ended TRS connectors with no problems, so I don't it's a general Behringer issue. If memory serves me correctly, the Rodgers line signals are close to 'pro' levels.

--- Tom

[Larrytow]

I don't play around in many Rodgers consoles ( more of an Allen guy ), but I have always had good results with Alessis Nanoverbs for adding reverb to just about any instrument. The Nanoverb has an input level control, as well as an output level one, so between the two you can match it to just about any situation. It is also a stereo unit, so you only need one for every two organ channels. You cannot have different reverb programs on both channels - the setting is the same for both. But in an organ that is not a big concern. It also has a control for wet / dry mix. They are probably not the highest quality digital reverbs out there, but they are cheap, reliable, and versatile. I normally find them on e-bay or CL for 40 - 50 bucks.

[toodles]

The Minifex is a small stereo processor unit, but only one input can be used in mono (left); I sent the Main signal output of the organ in the left input of the Minifex, then the output back to the amplifier. Result: nothing at the output (only hum); no led blinking from the level indication meter. I checked the FEX800 with another source (CD player), and it worked just fine. Maybe another brand of processor unit with a better input sensibility would do better, I don't know...

I would think you'd want to use the processor in stereo mode--the reverb out is probably mixed to both outputs, but that is probably OK.

You can double check your signal into the Minifex by connecting that signal to any amp's input and looking for signal at the output.

The output from the Rodgers console is about the same as audio line-level signals, the type the Behringer is looking for. Since the Behringer unit works OK with your CD player, and the Rodgers works fine with its speakers (right?), then you have to look at your wiring or setup.