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    Does anyone know of a new model in the Rodgers Allegiant line? The ad in The American Organist (April 2006) has me wondering.</P>


    The statement, "attractive American-built alternative to lower-cost imports" caught my attention.</P>


    Lawrence</P>


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    I saw those ads as well, should be exciting! I'll be sure to post some pics from the convention in chicago of that console!

    :)

    but no idea what specifically Rodgers is up to other than launching a exciting new model!

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      Lawrence,



      Rodgers marketing is somewhat bizarre. The Allegiant models are
      American made models, which compete against their own Insignia line,
      but at $5,000 more. It's like saying if you want American made,
      decent quality here is the Allegiant, but if you want to save bucks, we
      also have this crappy stuff from Italy called Insignia.



      The Insignia line came out in 2001. In any case, if they want to
      continue the line, it is in need of an overhaul. The Allegiant
      line is essentially the same stuff, except better build quality, and
      the possibility of interfacing to pipes. They came out in
      2003.



      It wouldn't surprise me to see Rodgers come out with a new model at
      this time. Also it wouldn't surprise me to see Rodgers do
      something with the Italian made line, especially in line with the RoHS
      legislation in the EU. This means building organs with no
      hazardous materials in them, like lead, mercury, cadmium etc. It
      will no doubt mean an increased cost to the manufacturer and to the
      consumer.



      Most organ manufacturers have overhauled their technology/models over the last 2 or 3 years.



      Arie V



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        [quote user="arie v"]Lawrence,

        Rodgers marketing is somewhat bizarre. The Allegiant models are American made models, which compete against their own Insignia line, but at $5,000 more. It's like saying if you want American made, decent quality here is the Allegiant, but if you want to save bucks, we also have this crappy stuff from Italy called Insignia.

        The Insignia line came out in 2001. In any case, if they want to continue the line, it is in need of an overhaul. The Allegiant line is essentially the same stuff, except better build quality, and the possibility of interfacing to pipes. They came out in 2003.

        It wouldn't surprise me to see Rodgers come out with a new model at this time. Also it wouldn't surprise me to see Rodgers do something with the Italian made line, especially in line with the RoHS legislation in the EU. This means building organs with no hazardous materials in them, like lead, mercury, cadmium etc. It will no doubt mean an increased cost to the manufacturer and to the consumer.

        Most organ manufacturers have overhauled their technology/models over the last 2 or 3 years.

        Arie V

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        If you look on Rodgers' website you can see the ad in question. You can also see a press release about their intention to follow the lead-free guidelines for Europe.</P>


        The new organ model (from my sources) indicates that it will be a three manual lighted drawknob organ at a surprisingly low price (whatever that means). If you price the Allegiant 677 and add 50% to the price, you might get an idea.</P>


        Bill</P>


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          Well, let the rumour mill commence! Personally, I'm hoping for two-manual.</P>


          Lawrence</P>

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            <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">Rodgers have updated the Trillium line, replacing it with Trillium Masterpiece. I wonder if the new Allegiant model signals the beginning of updating the entireAllegiant line, as opposed to simply adding another instrument to the line?</FONT></P>


            <FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #c0c0c0">Lawrence</FONT></P>

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              [quote user="arie v"]
              Rodgers marketing is somewhat bizarre. The Allegiant models are American made models, which compete against their own Insignia line, but at $5,000 more. It's like saying if you want American made, decent quality here is the Allegiant, but if you want to save bucks, we also have this crappy stuff from Italy called Insignia.
              [/quote]</P>


              Arie, There is nothing bizarre with the Allegiant series: Every market is different, Insignia organs are built for the European markets and Allegiant models are tailored to the needs of the American market (AGO specification, better internal sound system, high-quality consoles, different - American Classic - voicingetc. etc.). As always, quality is never free-of-charge and Rodgers/Roland does exactly know what the needs and expectations of every market are. European markets are much more price-sensitive, so they build different models toattract their customers in every of their global market places. </P>

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                Hi organiac,

                Just to say that in the US and Canada, the Allegiant and Insignia are both sold, and are direct competitors if you will. The difference is mostly build quality, and an upgraded internal audio system. I'm not sure the voicing is any different.

                The reason Allegiant came to be built, is that more than a few potential customers noticed that the Insignia organs were not of that high a quality, plus a number of Rodgers dealers told me personally that they were "crap".

                To me having 2 essentially competing lines, means having to do some rather creative marketing.

                BTW, I didn't say the Allegiant series is bizarre, just Rodgers marketing.

                Personally, I find far to much concerning electronics organs, has more to do with bean counters, marketing boards than with building fine organs.

                AV

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                  Well, details about thenew Allegiant will soon be revealed at the Chicago AGO National Convention, although it has already been generally accepted that it will be a three-manual instrument. I'm looking forward to getting the details. (Rodgers is one of two companieson my short list for digital organ purchase).</P>


                  Lawrence</P>

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                    [quote user="Melodialworks"]


                    Well, details about thenew Allegiant will soon be revealed at the Chicago AGO National Convention, although it has already been generally accepted that it will be a three-manual instrument. I'm looking forward to getting the details. (Rodgers is one of two companieson my short list for digital organ purchase).</P>


                    Lawrence</P>


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                    I saw the instrument and heard Dam Miller play it. Very interesting. 3 manual with lighted drawknobs. It also has a new sound engine, stereo samples, and four sets of stops, kinda like the Allen Quantum. However, they are selected one at a time via Voice Palette. It also has a group of non-organ sounds from the MX-200 built in as well, almost negating the need for a MIDI module. It has internal speakers and can have 8 channels (two for subs) of external speakers. Price hasn't been fixed, but it is likely to be close to $40,000.</P>


                    They also had a box called the DVX-1000 that has the ENTIRE Rodgers organ sample library in it(over 500 stops). Any 32 can be active at one time. It's designed to work as an add-on to a pipe organ.</P>


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                    Bill</P>

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