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  • What's up with this pedal configuration?

    Why the extra spaces between the pedals? It might be handy for a hack like me, but I've never seen this configuration before.

    It's a Johannus "Mansonic", more pics here: http://www.piano4u.com/Piano/Detail/1079


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  • #2
    The spacing is regular, but it's a 30 note board rather than the more usual 32, so the spacing is wider. Just a typical example of a non-AGO/RCO board, there are far odder ones over here!
    It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

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    • #3
      Doesn't look regular to me, there are big gaps E-F and B-C... ?

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      • #4
        Hi,

        Looks like the builder forgot to put in the B#s and the E#s. How did the builder get away with that?
        Thanks for pointing this out.
        Somebody with very small feet could fall between the cracks if not careful. Maybe this is a safety issue.

        AV

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        • #5
          I always try to get my laughs and humor in on the first half of the day but any is always welcome in the second half too. Thanks Arie.

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          • #6
            Harpo,

            How odd!!! It certainly appears to be missing a note, but it could be the builder saved on lumber by making the pedals narrower and spacing them the same distance apart, thereby leaving a gap between the notes. Either that, or they are, indeed, improperly spaced.

            Interesting anomaly (and humor!).

            Michael
            Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
            • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
            • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
            • 11 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 7 Pianos

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            • #7
              I can't decide if this would be easier for me (using the gaps to locate by feel) or harder (since I tend to play the cracks anyway)!

              Is it possible they just have the pedalboard assembled wrong?

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              • #8
                Well that is interesting. I've seen pictures of some odd pedals, that isn't the worst. Maybe it was custom for someone (like me) with wide feet.
                Allen MOS 1105 (1982)
                Allen ADC 5000 (1985) w/ MDS Expander II (drawer unit)
                Henry Reinich Pipe 2m/29ranks (1908)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Harpo View Post
                  Doesn't look regular to me, there are big gaps E-F and B-C... ?
                  Yep. And all the note pedals are the same width, so it's not an artifact of narrower E-F and B-C pedals. I'm not very good with the pedals, but I think that configuration would destroy a good organist.

                  David

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                  • #10
                    There are no pedals missing. I still think it's more an optical illusion, caused by the photo being taken with quite a wide angle lens. (We've just had a similar discussion over on a shipping website, talking about the 'odd' layout of derricks on a cargo ship! Again, the camera was to blame.)

                    But another thought just popped into my head. If the organist doesn't get his/her heel firmly on the swell pedal, the resultant C#+Eb combination won't sound very pretty!
                    It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

                    New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

                    Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
                    Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
                    Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
                    Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

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                    • #11
                      Folks,

                      I found this photo of one of my Allens today (ADC-6000, I believe). The photo was taken from an odd angle we never see, and it goes to support AndyG's conclusion. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along!;-)

                      Michael
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                      Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                      • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                      • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                      • 11 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 7 Pianos

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                      • #12
                        Even if the pedals are an optical illusion, what's going on with that spec? It's like they tried to make a theatre organ but didn't really know much about theatre organ specifications!
                        Luke S.
                        Conn 652, Schleicher and Sons baby grand piano, Yamaha PSR-260 electronic keyboard

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                        • #13
                          I am counting 5 open spaces, something is wrong with this Allen thing too.
                          Allen had a lot of troubles with pedalboards, just think about those Princess ones.

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                          • #14
                            I think the illusion comes from the fact that the sharp pedal sticks are not painted black.
                            Try this:
                            Draw 14 parallel lines on a piece of paper about 2" long, equally spaced.
                            Look at it.
                            Now draw in the "sharp pedals" a line between the 1st & 2nd line (C#) and one between the 2nd and 3rd line (D#). Skip a line and add the F#, G#, and A#. Repeat for the next octave.
                            Now look at it.
                            The sharp pedal sticks on my AT90SL are painted black so all the naturals look evenly spaced.

                            td
                            Servicing electronic organs since 1969.

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                            • #15
                              I have re-thought this situation. On a piano, all the white keys (the naturals) are the same width and spaced the same--the sharps/flats are inserted into the spacing of the naturals without altering their spacing. On an organ, the pedals are not made full width so as to occupy all the space with narrow gaps (as they are on a manual), so when there is no sharp/flat key between naturals, there is a space. The intent is to keep the same even spacing of the naturals that is found on the manuals. To do otherwise would probably be confusing.

                              David

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