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  • #16
    Somewhat related to this thread, I'm considering picking up my organ myself. However, the organ I'm picking up will not fill the truck I'll be renting.

    Does anyone know what considerations I should take concerning transporting limited items for others (i.e. pieces of furniture, small trailer, etc.)? Would it be a violation of any transportation regulations anyone knows of?

    Michael
    Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
    • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
    • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
    • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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    • #17
      Originally posted by myorgan View Post
      Somewhat related to this thread, I'm considering picking up my organ myself. However, the organ I'm picking up will not fill the truck I'll be renting.

      Does anyone know what considerations I should take concerning transporting limited items for others (i.e. pieces of furniture, small trailer, etc.)? Would it be a violation of any transportation regulations anyone knows of?

      Michael
      Michael, I do know some about that actually - not related to organs or furniture, but the same principles apply. Hauling others "stuff" ( no matter what is is really ), and getting paid to do so, is generally considered For Hire Carriage. Technically, you need quite a lot of permits and special insurance to be a For Hire Motor Carrier of Property . This is even more so if you are engaged in Interstate Commerce ( you, the truck, and / or property you are hauling crosses state lines ) and even more regulations technically apply then.

      However, if you are merely doing a "Favor" for a "friend" by taking some "stuff" along in a rental truck, since you are going there anyhow, then you should be just fine. And that is done by lots of people pretty regularly I should think.

      So says this former For Hire Motor Carrier of Property . Trucks and trailers and autos are property too, of course.
      Regards, Larry

      At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 ! ), E-5AR ( X 2, 1 parts, 1 not ), D80 ( parts ), FX-1, FX-20, HS-7T ( parts ), EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen organs : T12-A, T-12B, ADC-6000D. Baldwin 626. Hammond Concorde. Lowrey CH32-1. A bunch of Synthesizers and Keyboards. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with VISTA ), Hammond A105, Baldwin 720T, Several small and medium size pipe organs of many sorts and builders.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by myorgan View Post
        I'm considering picking up my organ myself. However, the organ I'm picking up will not fill the truck I'll be renting.
        Sounds like you need to find another (or a bigger) organ to fill that truck up. That or get a smaller truck.

        Both times I've moved my organ I have rented a small enclosed trailer. It might be a better deal (including gas and comfort) to rent a trailer just big enough for the organ and a vehicle just large enough to tow it (assuming you are planning to fly out and retrieve it).
        Sam
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Larrytow View Post
          However, if you are merely doing a "Favor" for a "friend" by taking some "stuff" along in a rental truck, since you are going there anyhow, then you should be just fine. And that is done by lots of people pretty regularly I should think.
          Larry,

          Thanks for the insight. That's my plan--for now. Since I'll be making the trip anyway, why not?!!!

          Originally posted by samibe View Post
          Sounds like you need to find another (or a bigger) organ to fill that truck up. That or get a smaller truck.

          Both times I've moved my organ I have rented a small enclosed trailer. It might be a better deal (including gas and comfort) to rent a trailer just big enough for the organ and a vehicle just large enough to tow it (assuming you are planning to fly out and retrieve it).
          Sam,

          Thanks for the advice, but alas, it's too late--the deed's done. Have the plane ticket and rented truck, only to find out tonight the organ dealer holding the organ for me for quite some time--is only there once every TWO WEEKS!!! It's the only shop they have. They'll get back to me. I'm not adverse to night loading.

          Anyway, hope to begin the move next week. Anyone need something moved West to East?

          Michael
          Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
          • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
          • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
          • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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          • #20
            Michael,

            I wish you a good and safe trip. Should be sorta fun, right ? Nice time of the year for a drive though the country too. I think you mentioned that it is in AZ ? It is pretty hot there right now, so that might not be real nice for loading the organ. But ya gotta do what you gotta do; liking the weather is optional.

            As far as the "friends" that you will be hauling "stuff" for, the only other advice I have for you is this. If those "friends" are going to give you a "gift" or a "tip" for being such a nice guy, be sure to "accept" it Before you leave.

            As always, photos of organ moves are always nice.
            Regards, Larry

            At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 ! ), E-5AR ( X 2, 1 parts, 1 not ), D80 ( parts ), FX-1, FX-20, HS-7T ( parts ), EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen organs : T12-A, T-12B, ADC-6000D. Baldwin 626. Hammond Concorde. Lowrey CH32-1. A bunch of Synthesizers and Keyboards. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with VISTA ), Hammond A105, Baldwin 720T, Several small and medium size pipe organs of many sorts and builders.

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            • #21
              The desert SW is under a very high pressure system for the past few weeks--it's been getting to high 90's in northern Utah, so Az will be super hot. Make sure to stay hydrated.

              As to moving items for others, it's probably OK if they help defray your costs--and if stopped by the cops, make sure you state that you are moving your own belongings. A friend of mine from San Diego was delivering some used instruments for the Allen dealer there, and got stopped. Almost got held for not having licenses to move for commercial purposes.

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              • #22
                Arizona is in it's monsoon season during which moisture enters the state causing afternoon thunderstorms in the northern part of the state and haboobs and scattered rain in the desert usually during the early evening hours.

                If you get caught in a haboob, pull of to the side and turn your lights off until visibility improves. Flooding frequently occurs when it rains in the desert and crossing flooded washes and intersections can be dangerous, so be careful.

                Highs in Phoenix next week are predicted to be under 100 the first part of the week due to monsoonal moisture.
                -Admin

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                • #23
                  Note also that flash floods can occur in narrow canyons and similar areas--the rain may occur many miles away from where the flooding occurs. Listen to the news and stay on high ground.

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                  • #24
                    Perhaps I missed the details elsewhere in this thread but is this the ADC-8000 that was posted on Craigslist long ago with photos of it in a storage unit? As I recall "TheRepetiteur" had purchased it, then put up for sale, then changed his mind, and then was booted from the forum. Did you get all of the amps and speakers that were originally with the organ? As I recall, it is a 13 channel instrument.
                    Larry is my name; Allen is an organ brand name.

                    Main: Allen RMWTHEA.3 with Rocky Mount Electra-Piano, Allen 423-C + Gyro cabinet, Britson Opus OEM38, Saville Series IV Opus 209, Steinway AR Duo-Art, Mills Violano Virtuoso with MIDI
                    Lower Level: Hammond 9812H with roll player, Gulbransen Rialto, Roland E-200, Vintage Moog
                    Shop: Mason&Hamlin AR Ampico piano, Allen ADC-5300-D with 18 speakers and MIDI, 4 Allen theater organ tone cabinets (including 3 Gyros, but don't call me Gyro Gearloose!).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Larrytow View Post
                      As always, photos of organ moves are always nice.
                      Larry,

                      Thanks for the well-wishes, and I definitely do take lots of photos. It establishes the condition of the instrument both before and after the move so there is no question regarding cosmetic condition.

                      Originally posted by AllenAnalog View Post
                      Perhaps I missed the details elsewhere in this thread but is this the ADC-8000 that was posted on Craigslist long ago with photos of it in a storage unit? As I recall "TheRepetiteur" had purchased it, then put up for sale, then changed his mind, and then was booted from the forum. Did you get all of the amps and speakers that were originally with the organ? As I recall, it is a 13 channel instrument.
                      AllenAnalog,

                      I'd rather not post details about the purchase until I have it safely at home, but I can say, it's not the only ADC-8000DKC that's been listed in the past 6 months or so. It seems there's been a glut of them for sale this year--can't imagine why (at least 3). However, I will say, not all the organs offered for sale in that model line have been the same/similar quality. I can discuss it more definitively when I get the organ home and hooked up.

                      Thanks all, for the recommendations and input regarding weather, climate, & safety. I don't think the weather will affect me much, as we've been having 90˚<95˚ with about 70%<80% humidity. I've been building my garage in that weather for up to 8 hours/day, so I'd take the desert dry any time over what we've had in the North East! My wife has been wanting to move down South for years, but I think she finally understands what she'd have to put up with on a daily basis (not that we haven't had similar weather for a month already!).

                      Thanks again, all.

                      Michael

                      P.S. I will actually be going through Denver, KC, St.Louis, Columbus, Hartford on the way home. Oklahoma has too many tolls (those money-grubbers!), and I've been there before--I'm adding States to my "bucket list" on this trip! My goal is all 50 by the time I leave this world.
                      Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                      • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                      • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                      • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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                      • #26
                        If you were coming through Arkansas I'd offer you a lemonade! Good luck and be very careful!
                        John
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                        Church: Allen MDS-45 with Allen MIDI-DIVISION-II expander
                        Home: Allen Renaissance R-230 with expanded four-channel audio and MIDI-DIVISION-II
                        Shop: Bunch of organs in varying conditions, some good, some not...
                        Half of an incredible two-man organ service team -- servicing all the major digitals in Arkansas churches
                        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Birds...97551893588434

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                        • #27
                          Thank you, John! I'm headed across I-70 & I-80, so I'll be a bit further North.

                          BTW, if I were to make an offer to the members of the Forum, in case they needed something picked up, would that be a classified? I can post the message there. What do you think?

                          Michael
                          Originally posted by jbird604 View Post
                          If you were coming through Arkansas I'd offer you a lemonade! Good luck and be very careful!
                          Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                          • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                          • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                          • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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                          • #28
                            Admin's a stickler about using the classifieds when you're selling or buying something, but just offering to do a friendly favor and not asking for money, seems it would be ok to mention it here where we all know each other. Won't bother me, anyway. And you really don't want to offer this to the general public, lest you be crossing some legal lines, as has been pointed out above.
                            John
                            ----------
                            Church: Allen MDS-45 with Allen MIDI-DIVISION-II expander
                            Home: Allen Renaissance R-230 with expanded four-channel audio and MIDI-DIVISION-II
                            Shop: Bunch of organs in varying conditions, some good, some not...
                            Half of an incredible two-man organ service team -- servicing all the major digitals in Arkansas churches
                            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Birds...97551893588434

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                            • #29
                              Well, I posted it as a Classified, just in case. Who knows who could use the help. I know I could from time-to-time.

                              Michael
                              Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                              • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                              • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                              • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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