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    Hi all,

    Here are some photos of an organ and I can't quite figure out what brand / model it is. Gotta love people who want to get rid of organs, but can't seem to take photos that would help a person see what it really is !

    I'm thinking that it is a Rodgers or a Baldwin or an Imported something. It looks to be three manuals from what I can see of the pistons, but the swell shoes do not indicate that on the engravings. From the looks of it, it is not an Allen.

    I'm waiting to hear back from the owner, but with the holiday coming up, that might be some time. If anyone knows what it is, or has guesses, that info would be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Regards, Larry

    At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), US-1, EL-25 ( Chopped ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755. 1919 Wangerin 2/7 pipe organ.

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    Looks like a Rodgers analog, based on the piston count, drawknob style, and the Power nameplate on the left stop jamb. I'll leave it to others to ferret out which model exactly!

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    • #3
      Yup, Michael guessed right Cambridge?

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      • #4
        More likely a Providence or Specification330--pistons look like there is a 3rd manual.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by toodles View Post
          More likely a Providence or Specification330--pistons look like there is a 3rd manual.
          Good eye Toodles!

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          • #6
            Looking at the few lighted drawknobs showing on the swell and pedal, the Klann-type expression shoes and rounded area surrounding them, and the configuration of pistons/toe studs I would say that it is a Rodgers Providence 330. Toodles got it.

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            • #7
              I looked up the specification for the Rodgers Providence 330 and notice that it has the swell has a Voix Celeste II but no independant 8' string. This would really be disappointing. I am curious if anyone knows why that was done. Was it to save draw knobs? Or is this, in fact a single rank playing through two channels with celeste tuning.
              Bill

              My home organ: Content M5800 as a midi controller for Hauptwerk

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              • #8
                Thank you all ! I pretty much thought that it was a Rodgers from the nameplate being gold / brass colored. I have not had any response from the person who has it yet, and it is 120 miles away, so I can't just go look at it to get more details.

                Any time I have seen Voix Celeste II on an organ ( pipe or electronic ) I always figure that the stop draws both the string and the celeste together at the same time.
                Regards, Larry

                At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), US-1, EL-25 ( Chopped ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755. 1919 Wangerin 2/7 pipe organ.

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                • #9
                  I concur with Michael. Rodgers folded down their music racks inside the lid, while Allen's were on top. I don't remember what Baldwin had. However, the illuminated drawknobs remind me of Rodgers'.

                  What makes me lean toward Baldwin (and away from a Rodgers analog) is that there are no transposer buttons in 1/2 step increments.

                  Good puzzler, though.

                  Michael
                  Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                  • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                  • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                  • 11 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 7 Pianos

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                  • #10
                    Rodgers of that era used a diapason/principal keyer to make their string voices. In this case, the Viola Celeste II would have the Geigen Diapason keyed softly and a separate celeste rank voice to form the Viola Celeste II. Indeed, it would be two voices through two audio channels. No need for an independent Viola stop, as the Geigen Diapason would provide the same tonality, just reduce the swell slightly or set it (internally) to be at the level you want.

                    The Specification 330 did not offer a transposer, so it's probably of that era. The Spec. 330 was the precursor of the Providence 330--same stop list, but the Providence offered extended couplers (sub & super octave) which were optional on the Spec. 330.

                    If it is a Spec 330, it probably has moving drawknobs rather than lighted, though lighted drawknobs might have become an option late in the 330 production run.

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                    • #11
                      I vote for Spec 330. I think the capture action may well be the old magnetic core type, since there are only six generals and four divisionals per division. That dates it to the early 70's. That's good news and bad news. Could be fixable without the need for any specialized parts, but could have lots of problems. The time-share system does have a lot of obscure IC's, though, if it has keying issues.

                      We service a couple of old 32B/C models, even older and more primitive than this one. They sound a lot better than you'd expect, considering the paucity of resources. But they are prone to many old-age maladies that require creative repairs and work-arounds.
                      John
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jbird604 View Post
                        ... But they are prone to many old-age maladies that require creative repairs and work-arounds.
                        Story of my life these days...

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                        • #13
                          TELL me about it . . .

                          Tony
                          Home: Johannus Opus 370

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                          • #14
                            I checked my Spec 330 tech manual, and the viola celeste works as I described--soft geigen diapason for the unison (on pitch) rank and independent celeste rank (49 notes) for the 2nd rank; both flute and viola celeste are routed through the unit trompette channel (reed) so that celeste is mixed in the air with the unison ranks.

                            This might not have had time share circuitry, as it doesn't have the transposer--but it might also have the time share. The magnetic core action seems to be reliable over time--the core memory is definitely reliable, but is not repairable as far as I know. The support circuitry would be repairable if necessary.

                            Even the 32B/C had excellent sound for the unit principal and unit flute, a hallmark of Rodgers's analog designs. It was the reed and strings on these early models that was lacking, and, of course, the Choir on the 32B/C was pretty impoverished. All of the earliest Rodgers designs were pretty stingy with reeds, too. Even the 330 and 660 shared a unit principal and unit flute among the pedal, choir, and great.

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                            • #15
                              Thank you all for the great information on this thing so far. As it stands at this point, I have no idea if I will ever get a response from the owner about it. It has been 48 hours since our last contact. Yes, I realize it is a holiday weekend, and that folks have things to do besides be concerned about an organ they no longer want. Of course, phones and the internet work all the time. I guess my former career is why I get irritated so easily when people do not communicate in a timely fashion. That sort of "when I get to it, I get to it" way of communicating would never work in the towing biz. Hopefully I will know something on Tuesday.

                              I actually do not want to move / own / find a place for a monster console like this one ( if it was an Allen, my thoughts would be quite different on that ! ), but what has me intrigued are the possible speaker systems that might go with it. Those I might be able to use for the other Rodgers in my life. What I am really thinking is that it may have a big sub-woofer with it, and that is something that the 755 Concord I was asking about in a different thread would benefit greatly from having. What do you guys think of the chance that it may have the big ( forgot how big right now - 18", 30" ? ) Rodgers sub with it ?
                              Regards, Larry

                              At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), US-1, EL-25 ( Chopped ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755. 1919 Wangerin 2/7 pipe organ.

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