Allen Organ News - Sept 18

[nullogik]

Allen have developed an app that allows you to control the hymn player, performance player and recorder on a Genisys organ.

There are some changes to the way you can set a Genisys voice to a piston.

There is a new two manual, 28 stop Genisys organ:
https://www.allenorgan.com/church-organs/g210.html

And a new four manual, 66 stop organ:
https://www.allenorgan.com/church-organs/g450.html

More interestingly the newsletter states "Allen Organ has been busy sampling the world’s finest pipe organs! With Allen’s advanced DOVE voicing software and the new additions to the Sound Matrix Library, the tonal possibilities are endless. Ask your local dealer about the new "enhanced" SoundMatrix Library."

Anyone know what organs or stops they've sampled and added to the library?

[Peterboroughdiapason]

And does anyone know the specification of the G210?

[toodles]

If you scroll to the bottom of the page on the link provided, you can read the stoplist from the gallery photos. It's a pretty basic 2-manual, low end stop list.

[organman95]

Wonder if you can get the G210 in a Drawknob console

[Peterboroughdiapason]

If you scroll to the bottom of the page on the link provided, you can read the stoplist from the gallery photos. It's a pretty basic 2-manual, low end stop list.

Yes, did that but I want to know if it's got the "suites" (i.e. Willis, German Baroque, French etc.).

[toodles]

Since the users manual isn't on their site yet, I guess you'll just have to ask your dealer.

[radagast]

Allen have developed an app that allows you to control the hymn player, performance player and recorder on a Genisys organ.

There are some changes to the way you can set a Genisys voice to a piston.

There is a new two manual, 28 stop Genisys organ:
https://www.allenorgan.com/church-organs/g210.html

And a new four manual, 66 stop organ:
https://www.allenorgan.com/church-organs/g450.html

More interestingly the newsletter states "Allen Organ has been busy sampling the world’s finest pipe organs! With Allen’s advanced DOVE voicing software and the new additions to the Sound Matrix Library, the tonal possibilities are endless. Ask your local dealer about the new "enhanced" SoundMatrix Library."

Anyone know what organs or stops they've sampled and added to the library?

I wonder if the G210 is the same as the CF-10, but with GENISYS?

I noticed some of the larger models have a small “a” after the model number, like G460a. What does that mean?

I wonder what organs they’ve been sampling. I hope they’re getting lots of long Cavaillé-Coll samples. I’ve heard a rumor that they have some string samples from a very large organ in PA known for its string section.

[nullogik]

Yes, did that but I want to know if it's got the "suites" (i.e. Willis, German Baroque, French etc.).

It appears it does:

https://www.allenorgan.com/church-or...#stoplistmodal

I had a quick look between the "a" and "non-a" models and the only difference I could spot was a handful of stop changes mainly in the choir and swell if I remember correctly.

[Peterboroughdiapason]

It appears it does:

https://www.allenorgan.com/church-or...#stoplistmodal

That link just takes me back to the same page.

However I expect it does have the different "suites"/"voicings" as even the CF-4 and CF-10 do.

[radagast]

While poking around Allen's site, I noticed in the news section a female employee with Allen was celebrating her 60th year with the company. In the E-news section where the news items mentioned in this thread appear, there is a gentleman who got an award for being with the company 50 years and is considered a great technician. I wonder if there are any other electronic organ makers who have employees that have been with those companies that long?

[myorgan]

I wonder what organs they’ve been sampling. I hope they’re getting lots of long Cavaillé-Coll samples. I’ve heard a rumor that they have some string samples from a very large organ in PA known for its string section.

I wonder what organ that would be?

Is it my imagination, or do Allen stop lists keep getting shorter?

Yes.O:-)

Michael

[toodles]

Is it my imagination, or do Allen stop lists keep getting shorter?

In the beginning, the electronic organ was a lower cost substitute for pipe organs. And it was not expensive to add additional voices, so the electronic organs offered a lot of variety. Then manufacturers tried to make voices that sounded closer to pipe organ sounds, and as they made them more pipe-like the cost of adding voices became more expensive, so manufacturers started reducing the number of stops.

So, yes, Allen's stop lists are getting smaller. Used to be they always included a 1 ft flute on the swell or choir, now you almost never see one. Pedals used to have reeds at 16 & 8 on the small models, 16-8-4 on the medium models, and then 32-16-16-8-4 on the big models. Now the norm seems to be 16-4 on small and medium models.

So your best value for realistic sound and voicing variety seems to be the late ADC models. Even the MDS early models had a few less stops than the late ADC models.

[radagast]

I think there are a few possibilities why. MOS computers were capable of producing 38 stops. But they were all phase and pitch locked with each other. Now, with their current technology that isn’t the case, so they can get a fuller sound with fewer stops. They also have a large number of additional stops through GENYSIS or the Ensemble module. And also Allen is using more audio channels which gives a fuller sound than the two channels of the MOS computers. And with all of this, Allen also has to be more and more competitive with a market that has shrunk.

[organman95]

To me, though, it seems like with memory being 'cheap' in comparison to 20 years ago, it should be easy and relatively inexpensive to have many more stops than before, even with additional audio.

EDIT: How many audio channels are they using now? Is it still a standard 4 for the G210?

[radagast]

To me, though, it seems like with memory being 'cheap' in comparison to 20 years ago, it should be easy and relatively inexpensive to have many more stops than before, even with additional audio.

EDIT: How many audio channels are they using now? Is it still a standard 4 for the G210?

Where does one find out the number of audio channels for each model? I can’t find even a default amount anywhere. I think they offer the ability to add channels to any organ.