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    #16
    Paul,

    If you can provide the model number, it will help us help you. Depending on the genre of Allen Organ, audio was handled in vastly different ways. Therefore, the advice we give is entirely dependent on the exact circumstances of your instrument you're attempting to connect to the sound system.

    I might also mention that connecting a church organ to a sound system in a church is an entirely bad idea for several reasons:
    • The organ produces tones which exceed both ends of the audio spectrum that most (if not all) church sound systems are incapable of reproducing.
    • The organist needs to be in control of his/her sound so (s)he can blend appropriately with the music program. If that control is relegated to a teenager in a sound booth listening through a pair of headphones rather than live audio, it is impossible to list how many levels of "bad" that will result. The organ becomes a point of contention in the service vs. an enhancement supporting worship. Think of how so many drummers have had to be placed in an enclosed box to continue being part of the service.
    • The organ will NOT be a simple stereo input (or output). In order to reproduce the organ sound in a believable manner, the organ sound needs to come from as many sound sources (speakers) as possible. Think of relegating your home theatre surround sound system to simple TV audio. It would be a waste of resources, as well as degrade the resources you have.
    I hope this helps you better understand some of the basic concerns with putting organ sound through a church's sound system vs. through a system designed specifically to reproduce organ sound.

    I look forward to hearing more about your new organ.

    Michael
    Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
    • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
    • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
    • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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    • Melos Antropon
      Melos Antropon commented
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      Paul:

      What Michael said - in spades.

      Tony

    #17
    To add to what Michael wisely says, another major reason why the organ is not compatible with a house sound system -- organ tone needs to "bounce" or "roll around" in the room in order to emulate the effect you get from a pipe organ in a well-designed church. To make this happen, we place the organ speakers so that they direct most of the sound upward at the ceiling or outward toward walls or even back toward a reflective surface. Organ tone does not sound good when it comes "straight" out the speakers aimed toward people's ears, nor does it produce the musical and visceral effect of a true pipe organ.

    This is the opposite of what a house system does -- a house system works to MINIMIZE reflected sound, to send the sound as directly as possible into the ears of the listeners with minimum "smear" from bouncing and rolling the sound through the room. This is essential for the clarity of speech, but is deadly to organ tone.

    In certain rare cases I have acceded and let an organ get installed this way, but that is only when it is fully understood by everyone (especially the player) that the organ will no longer function as a "pipe organ replacement" instrument, but will simply now be another minor instrument in the "worship ensemble" or whatever they call it. The organ is reduced to making some little unobtrusive noises to go along with the guitars and drums and such. Certainly an awful thing to do to a good organ, but sometimes we're talking about some old clunker organ being used in a music program where they wouldn't know what to do with a real organ anyway. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is simply the wrong thing to do to an organ if you want it to sound like an organ!
    John
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