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  • First Pictures - Allen's New Six Suite C-Models



    We've got the first sightings of the new six suite that Allen has been developing. The first model it seems is a Q345C with 58 stops and three manuals. The suites on this model appear to be English Cathedral/Orchestral, American Classic, Cavaille-Coll, Schlicker, Arp Schnitger.</P>


    Most interesting is the Cavaille-Coll, I wonder who good it sounds?</P>


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    More pictures at Allen's Organ of the week page:</P>


    http://www.allenorgan.com/www/allene...OfTheWeek.html#</P>
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    1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
    Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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    Allen has made at least two CDs featuring their Cavaille-Coll samples. They were already in the Quad Suite models. They were called "French" then. My impression was that while they were obviously C-C sounding, it didn't have the symphonic power that the St. Sulpice or St. Denis organs have. </P>


    The examples I heard were Renaissance models. It may be that with expanded audio, the effect is better.</P>


    Bill</P>
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      Nice looking. Anyone know the price tag on this baby?</P>


      Regards
      Gary</P>
      -Gary

      If it's not baroque, don't fix it.
      YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/thevande...?feature=guide
      Web Site (with sheet music): http://www.garyvanderploeg.com

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        Recalling my UK price list from memory, the bog standard Q385 retails for £50,000 without tax and with tax its £58750 (VAT - 17.5%). </p>

        Thats about $120k in US money - but then we in the UK get charged way more for everything American "made", such as Microsoft and Adobe products where we're charged between 80-100% more than the US price if you do a direct conversion change.
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        Using an educated guess I reckon that the pictured Allen (Q345C) goes for about £45000 or $92000 (including VAT) assuming its not got any options fitted.</p>

        Its likely that the official US price to you Americans will be somewhat lower than my UK-USA conversion.
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        1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
        Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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        • #5
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          How does the whole quad or whatever it is now suite thing work? I'm a little confused with how you would know what stop is what if you switch to a different "organ"? This thing is a lot more advanced than our '84 three manual Allen in church[:$]

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            I personally wish Allen would stop trying to make their organs play everything under the sun, and work on getting <U>one</U> suite to really sound good. I like Rodgers' setup better, where you have one basic sound, but can have your pistons call up different sounds on selected stops if you wish. Also, on a Rodgers organ, the alternate voicing on selected stops is instantaneous, unlike the waiting period when switching from one suite to another with Allen.
            Mike

            My home organ is a Theatre III with an MDS II MIDI Expander.
            I also have an MDC 10 Theatre spinet.

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              Re: First Pictures - Allen's New Six Suite C-Models

              Noticed another new feature on this organ: a plastic transparent protector sheet for the pedals

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                I recenty had the opportunity to try out a new Allen Q-326 50 stop 3 manual with quad suite in Brisbane, Australia. All I can say is that even though only the voicing for the American Classic suite was completed, the Cavaille-Coll suite was nothing short of astounding. I have played several timeson a very reputable 4 manual Rieger in Melbourne, which is supremely suited to both French Romantic music and German Baroque music. I also have a very keen ear for tonal differences. I am sure I would have a difficult time telling the 2 ( Allen &amp; Rieger) apart. I know that the sound of some digital organs can leave a lot to be desired, but the key to an extremely convincing sound lies notwith the brand name of an instrument, or the type of technology within the instrument.Instead, it is governed more by the quality of the final voicing, and the experience of the voicer. This can make or break the success of the organs installation.

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                  Does anyone know what Schlicker they used for their samples? </P>


                  I spent some formative years playing and listening to a couple of Schlicker's in the Buffalo, NY area. In fact for a few years in the early '90s I lived just down the street from the Schlickerfactory.If memory serves me correctly they were already closed and"For Sale" at the time.</P>


                  I fell in love with the 8' Great Pommer on the Schlicker at Christ The King Seminary. Unfortunately virtually the whole 3rd manual was "prepared" - too bad they never completed it.</P>

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                    <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I can't help with the exact instrument they used, but they've updated the stop-list for the relevent models that have the six suite feature - if its any help.</FONT></P>
                    1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
                    Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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                      [quote user="radagast"]

                      Allen has made at least two CDs featuring their Cavaille-Coll samples. They were already in the Quad Suite models. They were called "French" then. My impression was that while they were obviously C-C sounding, it didn't have the symphonic power that the St. Sulpice or St. Denis organs have. </p>

                      [/quote]</p>

                      Interesting. Curious, what would an Allen like this cost? </p>

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                        Re: First Pictures - Allen's New Six Suite C-Models

                        An Allen Q385 (3 manual, 80 stops) costs around £58000 once you've added VAT - and thats for a "base spec" model.
                        1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
                        Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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                          [quote user="nullogik"]An Allen Q385 (3 manual, 80 stops) costs around £58000 once you've added VAT - and thats for a "base spec" model.
                          [/quote]</p>

                          Then the Americans would presumably pay around $112,903 for that. But is the model shown in the pictures above a "base spec", i.e. would that include the English Cathedral, American Classic, Cavaille-Coll, Schlicker and Arp Schnitger samplings? </p>

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                            Re: First Pictures - Allen's New Six Suite C-Models

                            [quote user="Jason E"]

                            [quote user="nullogik"]An Allen Q385 (3 manual, 80 stops) costs around £58000 once you've added VAT - and thats for a "base spec" model.
                            [/quote]</p>

                            Then the Americans would presumably pay around $112,903 for that. But is the model shown in the pictures above a "base spec", i.e. would that include the English Cathedral, American Classic, Cavaille-Coll, Schlicker and Arp Schnitger samplings? </p>

                            [/quote]

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                            I think the Americans would pay a good couple of thousand dollars less than what you've quoted since there is no shipping fees, import taxes and other expenses to do with international trading. I would say you could probably knock off that $12000 to make it $100000 - but its purely a guess as I don't know what Allen US official pricing is.</p>

                            As far as I know, "six suites" is standard equipment on Quantum Renaissance organs (not Protege models or lower).</p>

                            By base spec I mean no fancy wood finishes, no Allen Vista unit, no Ensemble unit, no EAC, no stop changes from the spec on the site...
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                            1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
                            Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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                              [quote user="m&amp;m's"]I personally wish Allen would stop trying to make their organs play everything under the sun, and work on getting <U>one</U> suite to really sound good.[/quote]</P>


                              That is EXACTLY the idea behind Allen's new "Elite" series.</P>

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