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    Hi Everyone,</P>


    I'm new to this great and wonderful forum. I've been enjoying the questions asked and the knowledge from those in this group. THANKS!</P>


    I recently purchased a Allen 123-C and am having issues with the 16' Contra Fagatto on the Swell. The stop sounds even with the stop tab on the off position. Any idea what's going on? Is it the board or the stop mechanism itself?</P>


    The other item is that this model doesn't have a Celeste Effect, however, I've read here that one can modify one of the stops so that it can trigger that option on the board. Is this this possible on the 123 and if so is it something that I can do or do I need to have a technician come out?</P>


    Since buying this organ for a reasonable price, I've been wanting to know if I can add a midi connection to it so that I can use Hauptwerke to give it more flexability. Also, I've picked up two more H-15 speakers to add to the existing two speakers that I have. I should be able to raise the roof of the house now. I'd like to know if there is any special way to hook up the other two speakers in order to take full advantage of the channels in the organ. I'm guessing that it is only a two channel organ.</P>


    Any help on these matters will be greatly appreciated.</P>


    Thanks!</P>


    Kevin</P>

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    Re: Allen 123-C

    congrats! I have a 123C, unfortunatley mine is not really playable. Last year one or half a computer board on it bit the dust, not really sure. ......anyhow,...reason for my post... whenever you have a tec come out, I'd highly suggest adding a reverberation unit to your 123C...would really make it sound much nicer than the dry sound it has now (unless someone already added one)?

    good luck and welcome aboard!

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    • #3
      Re: Allen 123-C



      Hi</P>


      I may have some extra Midi boards for Allen MOS seriesso let me know if interested.</P>


      NYF - What are the symptoms on your Allen? I have some boards and maybe can fix it.</P>


      Al, [email protected]</P>

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      • #4
        Re: Allen 123-C

        Hi Al: symptoms:



        flute 8' stops seem to work fine.

        All or most other stops when you go down the keys the notes don't match what is being played...especially around b flat, that is always a note off on most of the stops now.

        thoughts on that?

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        • #5
          Re: Allen 123-C



          NYCFarmboy,</P>


          Thanks for the suggestion. The sound is very dry, but would entertain adding a reverb. Any suggestions that would sound good, but not break the bank? All I know is that Allen 123 is fragile at the age of 37 years old. Last evening I discovered that one of the channels wasn't working so I poked around carefully at the audio connections and finally had it working. Not sure what the deal was, but now it's vibrating the doors. LOL!! The amp in my organ was replaced with a 100 watt. I'm assuming that the original was only 50 watts. I obtained two additional speakers for the organ and now have four total. Is it possible to have more channel seperation for this model organ?</P>


          Thanks,</P>


          Kevin</P>

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          • #6
            Re: Allen 123-C



            In terms of the 16 Contra Faggato (swell)engaged with the stop off..... any ideas why or what would be wrong??? Can the tremolo be adjusted on the 123? It sounds horrible....</P>


            Kevin</P>

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            • #7
              Re: Allen 123-C



              Hi</P>


              Sounds like a shorted stoptab contact or short on the stoptab array board. Open the top and check the contacts on the rear of the stoptab mechanism. The contacts are delicate and easily shorted. The trem is adjustable - both rate and intensity, find the trem boards in the rear.</P>


              NYF - Sounds like a problem on the MOS board. I have a spare you could try, if it is bad it needs to go to Allen unless you can find a shorted or dirty connector.</P>


              Al</P>

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              • #8
                Re: Allen 123-C

                I"ll see about pulling the boards on it and bringing them back to the United States (I'll try reconnecting everything first). (The organ is in south america and only gets played at Christmastime when i'm down here for the holidays). will post back if things work after I fiddle with it more!

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                • #9
                  Re: Allen 123-C

                  To continue on the reverb idea- I recently purchased an Alesis NanoVerb and had a tech. add it to my Rodgers 100 Analog organ, and its fantastic- TONS of different reverb settings and other audio effects, and not too expensive

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                  • #10
                    Re: Allen 123-C

                    Organmaster007x


                    I've been thinking about it being that the sound is very dry. I looked on line and see that the Alesis NanoVerb runs about $100. My 123 has four inputs and the Alesis has two, so it looks like I would need two of them, correct?</P>

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                    • #11
                      Re: Allen 123-C

                      Not sure- I don't know the "tech specs" behind it as someone else installed it. All I know is the we needed to drill a whole trough the wood in order to mount it in an attractive way under the bottom manual of the organ

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                      • #12
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                        Out of interest, how long did it take the tech to fit the Nanoverb?</P>


                        I would like to add some reverb to my TC-3S at some point in the future, so I'll need to start putting some money aside as I don't have the know-how to do it myself.</P>
                        1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
                        Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Allen 123-C



                          I bought a used Alesis NanoVerb on ebay for a steal. I proceeded to hook it up and found that the results were great. One technical point is that I lost control of the expression pedal even though I didn't do anything with the cables connected to it. Has anyone else experienced this on their Allen or Rodgers?? Perhaps the technical "gods" John and Al could shed some light on this matter.</P>


                          Thanks,</P>


                          Kevin</P>

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                          • #14
                            Re: Allen 123-C



                            You wrote: I've picked up two more H-15 speakers to add to the existing two
                            speakers that I have. I should be able to raise the roof of the house
                            now. I'd like to know if there is any special way to hook up the other
                            two speakers in order to take full advantage of the channels in the
                            organ. I'm guessing that it is only a two channel organ. Any help on these matters will be greatly appreciated.</p>

                            If your 123-C is a two-channel organ, you would need two amplifiers, each of them feeding two H-15 speakers, to separate the Flute and Diapason channels. My TC-4 has three channels and came with two Gyrophonic cabinets, one for Flute and one for Diapason and Reed. So I bought another T-50 amplifier and use it to feed the Reed channel separately to an HC-9 and an HC-15 in parallel. I like it and don't really miss the rotating sound on the Reeds.</p>


                            By the way, if you might want to double up speakers, there is an excellent article at http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/pa/construction.cfm on impedence matching when adding speakers. I found it very helpful.
                            </p>

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                            • #15
                              Re: Allen 123-C

                              Kfussy, Send your query about losing expression pedal control when hooking up the Alesis to Buzzyreed. I believe he mentioned many months ago about the necessity of inserting either a capacitor or a resistor (I can't remember which or what value) in the line to the Alesis, but I have lost that information.

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