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Is the "Salicional" stop usually a soft,quiet sounding stop?

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  • Is the "Salicional" stop usually a soft,quiet sounding stop?

    One day while practicing on my Rodgers 640, organ for which I have come to LOVE that analog Rodgers sound,....I was using the "Salicional" stop,and found it to be a very soft,quieter sounding stop, this normal for this particular stop?
    Late 1980's Rodgers Essex 640

  • #2
    It would typically be softer than the flute, but not extremely soft--used together with the 8' flute, the salicional should definitely add some brightness.

    On the 640, the volume should be adjustable for that stop. Look for the adjustment on the pulse keyer board


    • #3
      The Salicional is often used in combination with the Voix Celeste. The Celeste tends to make it sound stronger.

      Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
      • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
      • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
      • 11 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 7 Pianos


      • #4
        It is rather soft on most organs, however, some organs have a pretty strong salicional (like my tiny Heinrich Keller pipe organ) - it's still softer than the gedackt, though.


        • #5
          Thanks Michael. That explains the celeste "pairing" that is on the Swell pallette of my instrument. The Gemshorn 8 has a "paired" Gemshorn 8 Celeste. The Violone 16 has a Viole 16 Celeste (I assume these pair together). And I figured the Viox Celeste 8 was paired with the Salicional 8 only because of the draw knob layout, but didn't know this was a common combination used and why. Learning more every day with the vast amount of knowledge and experience forum members put on here so generously. The art of registration is so fascinating to me ...

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          - Side question - Anyone know what the (SW) marking is for? The drawknob is on the Swell division, so why is there an (SW) on that specific stop only? Also on the Choir division there is a Koppelflote 4 with a (CH), and on the Great, the Principal 8 has a (GT).

          Edit: Sorry, that's on an Allen MOS1 era organ. Forgot to mention that ...
          Last edited by JoelHof; 05-20-2019, 06:29 AM.


          • beel m
            beel m commented
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            Was the "Viox celeste" (sic) drawknob added, by any chance? It is misspelled (something I never saw the Allen factory do, unless the customer insisted on something like "Contre Bordun") and looks like larger lettering than the others...?

          • JoelHof
            JoelHof commented
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            Well well, isn't that something. Never noticed that before but sure enough, right in front of my face! I thought something was funny when I posted that. The Voix Celeste is in the spec. (spelled correctly) from an Allen brochure they sent me, so it wasn't added special (unless they intentionally misspelled as you suggested). And it sure is a different font size. The Viole Celeste 8 on the Choir division has the same larger font. That is in the spec. as well, but at least the spelling is right ...

          • myorgan
            myorgan commented
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            The parenthesis tell which expression pedal control those stops. Which is odd, because you mention they are on the manuals expressed by the various pedals. Normally those designations are reserved for stops expressed by a division other than the one containing the stop. Hmmmm.

            Great catch on the spelling, Bill! I never even noticed it.

            Joel, do a search for "registration," or "favorite registration" on the Forum, and some great ideas have been shared over the years. I've learned some neat tricks over the years, and have passed them on to students (& others).


        • #6
          Division markings, like those in parentheses shown, indicate the expression pedal that effects the stop--if the division marking is the same as where the stop is placed (i.e., the Sw Voix Celeste as shown) it probably means the drawknob itself used to be in a different division--perhaps relocated as part of a repair.