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    Viscount has just released their new organ line-- the Viscount Physis organs--</p>

     </p>

    Are these any good? They look like nice organs! Im going down to the local dealer to find out more!</p>

     </p>

    What do you think?? Will this help Viscount compete? </p>

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    Brandon,</p>

    Your local dealer may not even know they exist. In any case, they won't be coming to North America right away. Viscount is supposed to be showing a prototype organ using the physis technology at NAMM (music trade show).</p>

    Are they any good? Well Viscount obviously thinks so. It will be interesting whether Viscount will continue with their sampled Prestige models.</p>

    Help Viscount compete? Viscount is one of the largest builders of church/classical organs. They make more organs than Allen and Rodgers combined. However they are quite small in North America. They also typically sell a lot of small, inexpensive units. At this point they do not manufacture any 4 or 5 manual instruments, and have dropped their theatre organ model.</p>

    AV
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    • #3
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      Have a look at this thread and it should answer some of your questions:</p>

      http://organforum.com/forums/thread/68488.aspx
      </p>
      1971 Allen Organ TC-3S (#42904) w/sequential capture system.
      Speakers: x1 Model 100 Gyro, x1 Model 105 & x3 Model 108.

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      • #4
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        The prestige organs are supposed to stay as a lower model organ..... Oooo! Maybe I could afford a prestige 20 or 40 now!

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        • #5
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          One thing they point out (which isn't necessarily true) is that others sample the odd note and then extrapolate from there. They show a keyboard and pretend that the typical sampler takes 4 or 5 samples per rank. Who does that? Even early samplers did something like every 3 notes. And currently in Hauptwerk, for example, all the sample makers that I know sample every note. There is no extrapolation at all.</P>


          Seems like a lot of hype. And if this aspect of their "we're better" isn't really true then what else isn't?</P>


          Rob</P>

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          • #6
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            [quote user="telemanr"] One thing they point out (which isn't necessarily true) is that others sample the odd note and then extrapolate from there. They show a keyboard and pretend that the typical sampler takes 4 or 5 samples per rank. Who does that? Even early samplers did something like every 3 notes. And currently in Hauptwerk, for example, all the sample makers that I know sample every note. There is no extrapolation at all.


            Seems like a lot of hype. And if this aspect of their "we're better" isn't really true then what else isn't?[/quote]</P>


            Hi Rob!</P>


            Like you, fromthe outset in reviewing Viscount'suntrueproclamations, I too noticed that Viscount is promoting their latest so-called-achievement, based upon a web of lies!! And that kind of tacticdoesn't look good on them' although it's not much worse than their current cheap bottom-feeders of the industry reputation.</P>


            From the very beginning, Viscount has been favoured with a well-earned reputation for building the lowest end crap within the entire industry. So instead of attempting to elevate themselves to a level that exceeds that of other organ manufacurers, they have chosen to merely wallow ina totallyuntrue smear-job on their competitors. [6]</P>


            As for marketing strategy, how could Viscount possiblyworse than they have already done? With theacknowleged and well-earned reputation as absolute lowest bottom feeders of the industry, how could they possiblydo worse than merely resorting to attacking theircompetitors with blatant unconscionable lies.</P>
            2008: Phoenix III/44

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              A Rodgers salesperson told me that a Trillium had four notes per sample.  My ears told me (rightly or wrongly) that there were two to eight notes per sample.  Perhaps four is an average.</p>

              Allen was known for using interpolation. </p>

              Other than Marshall &amp; Ogletree, Phoenix, and Monarke, does any manufacturer publish this information? </p>

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              • #8
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                [quote user="Clarion"][quote user="telemanr"] One thing they point out (which isn't necessarily true) is that others sample the odd note and then extrapolate from there. They show a keyboard and pretend that the typical sampler takes 4 or 5 samples per rank. Who does that? Even early samplers did something like every 3 notes. And currently in Hauptwerk, for example, all the sample makers that I know sample every note. There is no extrapolation at all.

                Seems like a lot of hype. And if this aspect of their "we're better" isn't really true then what else isn't?[/quote]</p>

                Hi Rob!</p>

                Like you, from the outset in reviewing Viscount's untrue proclamations, I too noticed that Viscount is promoting their latest so-called-achievement, based upon a web of lies!! And that kind of tactic doesn't look good on them' although it's not much worse than their current cheap bottom-feeders of the industry reputation.</p>

                From the very beginning, Viscount has been favoured with a well-earned reputation for building the lowest end crap within the entire industry. So instead of attempting to elevate themselves to a level that exceeds that of other organ manufacurers, they have chosen to merely wallow in a totally untrue smear-job on their competitors. [6]</p>

                As for marketing strategy, how could Viscount possibly so worse than they have already done? With the acknowleged and well-earned reputation as absolute lowest bottom feeders of the industry, how could they possibly do worse than merely resorting to attacking their competitors with blatant unconscionable lies.</p>

                [/quote]</p>

                 </p>

                 </p>

                geez get off this thread if you have never played a viscount. They are far better than Johannus, Content, and Cantor, and better than Allen protege, and low Rodgers organs.</p>

                 </p>

                They are a very very good organ company and sell far more organs than allen and rodgers, and that is a fact. And I am buying one... </p>

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                • #9
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                  Oh and the consoles are very very high quality even on the Low end series, the concerto. They are almost as good as the P40 I played. The Consoles are very nice wood, and THE KEYS!!! better than the pipe organs I have played! THey have  cool double cut lines running left to right on the white keys where the black key ends. Very nice pipe feel wood core, and a good false ivory. </p>

                   </p>

                  Over all.... the perfect organ.... but this is for the prestige organs only, dont know about the new ones. </p>

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                  • #10
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                    [quote user="Brandon Tuomikoski"]


                    Viscount has just released their new organ line-- the Viscount Physis organs--</P>
                    <P mce_keep="true"></P>


                    Are these any good? They look like nice organs! Im going down to the local dealer to find out more!</P>
                    <P mce_keep="true"></P>


                    What do you think?? Will this help Viscountcompete?</P>


                    [/quote]</P>


                    There is now a website for Physis:</P>


                    http://www.physisorgans.com/prodotto.asp</P>
                    <P mce_keep="true">The model line is called Unico.</P>
                    <P mce_keep="true"></P>

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                    • #11
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                      [quote user="MarkS"]


                      A Rodgers salesperson told me that a Trillium had four notes per sample. My ears told me (rightly or wrongly) that there were two to eight notes per sample. Perhaps four is an average.</P>


                      Allen was known for using interpolation.</P>


                      Other than Marshall &amp; Ogletree, Phoenix, and Monarke, does any manufacturer publish this information?</P>


                      [/quote]</P>


                      Are you sure the Rodgers salesperson didn't mean four notes per octave?</P>

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                      • #12
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                        [quote user="Clarion"]


                        Like you, fromthe outset in reviewing Viscount'suntrueproclamations, I too noticed that Viscount is promoting their latest so-called-achievement, based upon a web of lies!! And that kind of tacticdoesn't look good on them' although it's not much worse than their current cheap bottom-feeders of the industry reputation.</P>


                        From the very beginning, Viscount has been favoured with a well-earned reputation for building the lowest end crap within the entire industry. So instead of attempting to elevate themselves to a level that exceeds that of other organ manufacurers, they have chosen to merely wallow ina totallyuntrue smear-job on their competitors. [6]</P>


                        As for marketing strategy, how could Viscount possiblyworse than they have already done? With theacknowleged and well-earned reputation as absolute lowest bottom feeders of the industry, how could they possiblydo worse than merely resorting to attacking theircompetitors with blatant unconscionable lies.</P>


                        [/quote]</P>


                        A FEWYEARS BACK, ON THIS VERY FORUM, I WAS ATTACKED, NOT ONLY BY SUPPORTERS OF PHOENIX ORGANS, BUT BY THE MODERATOR, FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT UNTRUE "FACTS" THAT PHOENIX WAS SAYING ABOUT THEIR COMPETITORS. THE MODERATOR SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BECAUSE ALL ORGAN COMPANIES USE "SALES HYPERBOLE". I AM WAITING FOR THE MODERATOR TO SAY THE SAME THING TO YOU ABOUT VISCOUNT. </P>

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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="radagast"][quote user="MarkS"]


                          A Rodgers salesperson told me that a Trillium had four notes per sample. My ears told me (rightly or wrongly) that there were two to eight notes per sample. Perhaps four is an average.</P>


                          Allen was known for using interpolation.</P>


                          Other than Marshall &amp; Ogletree, Phoenix, and Monarke, does any manufacturer publish this information?</P>


                          [/quote]</P>


                          Are you sure the Rodgers salesperson didn't mean four notes per octave?</P>


                          [/quote]</P>
                          <P mce_keep="true"></P>


                          It seemed that he meant something like the following: on a given stop C1, C#2, D3, D#4 would share one stereo sample, as would E5, F6, F#7, G8, etc.</P>

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                          • #14
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                            Hi Brandon,</p>

                            I see the quest for an organ of your own goes on. Don't be so quick to discount the possibility that Rob &amp; Clarion have played Viscount organs. I know I have. I've played on a few Viscounts in my time, and I agree with your opinion that they are better than Johannus, Content, and the lower end Allen and Rodgers. I thought the Trillium &amp; Quantum series were considerably better than the Viscount organs that I played on, they were also more expensive. The 3 demos on the Physis site had a nice sound to them, though I still don't think it compares with a good Hauptwerk organ. I know you were looking at Hauptwerk organs for a while. What did you decide about that?</p>

                            </p>

                            Rob
                            </p>

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="telemanr"]

                              They show a keyboard and pretend that the typical sampler takes 4 or 5 samples per rank. Who does that? 
                              </p>

                              [/quote]</p>

                              I think the pourpose of the drawing is to let people understan what "split point" means. In other terms just an "hands free sketch" that represent graphically the split point concept.   Do no forget that most of our colleagues (organists) are not used to deal with techinical terms.</p>

                              Personally I appreciate this way to communicate and I do not see any intention from Viscount to "say lies", as some a poster accused in this thread.</p>


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