So yea, it does not belong here, but I am not sure how many of us pipe organists go over to the "home organ side"</p>
I am getting a Lowrey Grand Royale SU500 for free in a few days. To replace the rodgers.</p>
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I know I know, its not anything like a pipe organ. But it does have many organ sounds- mostly theatre, some pipe. But the whole point is to have it to run hauptwerk through it. So in the end-</p>
[quote user="Philip the organist"]Bad boy! It doesn't even have an AGO pedalboard! And now you have to spend $125 on the HW licence.
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Most of the pipe organs I play don't have AGO pedalboards either. Early experience of playing as many different pedalboard 'shapes and sizes' as possible gave the later ability to acclimatize almost instantly from anything to anything. That experience included 25 note flat (a la Lowrey, Hammond etc), 32 note AGO/RCO and non-standard. Plus 27 note straight+concave, 25 note flat, non radiating, 13 note spinet (lots of them!), 25 note radiating spinet, to name just a few.</p>
Don't knock it Philip, just try it![;)]</p>
And HW is a great way of getting a good sounding practice organ at home! Well worth the licence fee.
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It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.
You know I highly esteem your amazing experience and knowledge. I was just expressing surprise that Brandon was replacing a classical Rodgers with a Lowrey. I did get to play a great, big, Lowrey that looked like it came out of a casino or carnival a few years ago. It was brand-new and sitting in the back of the dealership. It sounded good; I just like having more than 25 12" pedals under my feet. Another thing that stumped me was the Genius system. "16' Tibia, 8' Tibia, 8' Vox" kept flashing on the touchscreen and not too many stops had hard-wired tabs. How is it supposed to work?</p>
Have fun Brandon, I'm sorry if I was a wet blanket.</p>
Don't ask me how it works, Phil! I only used to be one of Lowrey's organists.[:D] or should that be a [:S]
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You're right, 25 sticks is, of course, nothing like an AGO32 and is actually one of the more challenging pedalboards to play, but hey, Brandon's got plenty of straight organs to practice on and can now experience more of the 'dark side' (from the classical point of view!) having some fun with all the bells and whistles on the Lowrey.</p>
Andy
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It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.
[quote user="andyg"] Most of the pipe organs I play don't have AGO pedalboards either. Early experience of playing as many different pedalboard 'shapes and sizes' as possible gave the later ability to acclimatize almost instantly from anything to anything. That experience included 25 note flat (a la Lowrey, Hammond etc), 32 note AGO/RCO and non-standard. Plus 27 note straight+concave, 25 note flat, non radiating, 13 note spinet (lots of them!), 25 note radiating spinet, to name just a few.[/quote]</P>
Andy,</P>
Thefact that the AGOspecification exists, is a monument to the rejection of all the above-mentioned bad ideas you have suggested. If itwere not for all of those bad ideas, there would have been noneedfor standardizationfrom the beginning; and a recent nightmare with a Farfasia spinet, has contributed significantly to my resolve to embrace that which has merit; and reject the unlovely and uncouth. [:(]</P>
I see very little merit in lending credence to the continued existence of these malformed contraptions that should have been dead and buried decades ago. Sure, they are dying; but far too slowly to apease my inclinations. [:S]] And I remain somewhat less than convinced that a teenage organist should pursueany interaction with any of these surviving denizens of a somewhat less than lustrous era of manufacturing cheap toys for themasses of Saturday afternoon musicians!</P>
With just a bit more than casual interest inneural psychology, during early years of development, if exposed to appropriate muscial stimuli, the brain will wire itself to accomodate, by developing responsive neural pathways. (Not an area of interest that I would have personally pursued; but with a DIL doing doctoral research on this kind of stuff, I tend to get splattered with the overflow. [:D]) From my limited information on the subject, I would suggest that attempts to mess up the neural-wiring process by playing with inappropriately designed instruments, would be counter productive. [:$] While Ican't envision any harmfor old peopledoing this kind of stuff, I have adopted some less than flexible criteria from young organists in their formativeyears.</P>
[quote user="andyg"] Don't knock it Philip, just try it![;)] [/quote]</P>
I have reason to believe that Philip has already been stuck with doing that; which accounts for his reasonable reaction to a bad idea!</P>
In observingtwo different approaches utilized bytwo young aspiring musicians; Philip obviously already knows where he wants to go, and has manged to remain focused uponthat objective in every way. And Not to take anything away from Philip, but he obviously seems to be thebeneficiary of somereally great guidancefrom a whole lot of family who really, really care! [:D]</P>
Then there's Brandon, who doesn't seem to be so settled; and is still seaching for something to turn his crank! [:$] For me, as a teenager, the impetus was hearing arecording: Bach on theBiggest; Elmore; Atlantic City. That settled my proclivities forever! Perhaps Brandon has yet to encounterthe musical trigger that will forgehis future.</P>
And advice to anyone who has notyet become addicted to theawesomesound of the organ: If at all possible, avoid the inclination from inception, before you become addicted. Once you succumb, overa lifetime, it will cost you $$$, and $$$ and $$$!! [:S]</P>
Well I hate it. I can not play a 32 radiating concave pedalboard. I really can not. That is why I love the cathedrals 3 organs. Each built with flat straight pedalboards.</p>
And that is the way I like it. I can actually play those pedals well and confortably.</p>
So i think the lowrey will help me out- flat straight pedals. </p>
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And I think I was reintroduced to the organ by the Bovenkerk Heinsz organ. </p>
I honestly really thought that I was done for organ forever. But then I heard the Heinsz organ. And I said "I need to set my goals to this" And from then on, I was back on the organ bench ever single day for at least 1 hour a night! That organ is my motivation- and with midi I can "play" it at my home, and someday, I may get the chance to play or hear it live! </p>
[quote user="Brandon Tuomikoski"]Well I hate it. I can not play a 32 radiating concave pedalboard. I really can not. That is why I love the cathedrals 3 organs. Each built with flat straight pedalboards.[/quote]</P>
Then it if you ever intend to accomplish anything of significance in the organ world, it's time for youto tackle your objective head-on!!</P>
My first organteacher was a real dragon lady, for whom I am ever so grateful, who had me doing nothing but pedal excercises for the first two orthree monthsof my training. Andfor sure,if you have any serious future ambitions in the organ world, then thatLowery thingy is definitely not the way to go! [:S]</P>
There are a lot of very talented peopleon this website, who I am sure wouldbe more than willing intelligently steer you in the right direction.</P>
[quote user="andyg"] Don't knock it Philip, just try it![;)] [/quote]</p>
I have reason to believe that Philip has already been stuck with doing that; which accounts for his reasonable reaction to a bad idea!</p>
In observingtwo different approaches utilized bytwo young aspiring musicians; Philip obviously already knows where he wants to go, and has manged to remain focused uponthat objective in every way. And Not to take anything away from Philip, but he obviously seems to be thebeneficiary of somereally great guidancefrom a whole lot of family who really, really care! [:D]</p>
Then there's Brandon, who doesn't seem to be so settled; and is still seaching for something to turn his crank! [:$] For me, as a teenager, the impetus was hearing arecording: Bach on theBiggest; Elmore; Atlantic City. That settled my proclivities forever! Perhaps Brandon has yet to encounterthe musical trigger that will forgehis future.</p>
And advice to anyone who has notyet become addicted to theawesomesound of the organ: If at all possible, avoid the inclination from inception, before you become addicted. Once you succumb, overa lifetime, it will cost you $$$, and $$$ and $$$!! [:S]</p>
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Thank you Clarion; I'm flattered. Brandon, please don't be offended. I wish you the best with your new instrument, even if I would not have chosen it myself.</p>
As far as my trigger-for quite some time I was not sure of myself; what I should pursue, even though I was playing well and playing in church constantly. I was thinking about being a lawyer or architect to get money and just go on playing services at church as a volunteer for my whole life. So I was searching around for different careers that I thought would be nice (but weren't) but still taking lessons and being musically active.
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This may be a shock to some of you or not agree with your theology, but what really changed my mind to pursue music wholeheartedly as a profession was no less than a call from God that He gave me at a church musician's conference last summer. The minister was asking the members of the congregation if they knew what their purpose in life was. So when he said that, I asked the Lord and He replied to my soul, "You will serve Me through music." </p>
So that is my goal. How it will work out remains to be seen, but I am trying my very hardest to be my very best for God, and also reading up on church music and getting advice from other esteemed musicians that I know about colleges, etc.</p>
Brandon, I'm praying something like that will come for you so that you will be able to know exactly which way to go. Prov. 3; 5,6:"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding: In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy path."</p>
BTW, have you considered also adding the MidiTzer style 216 to your computer? The preloaded soundfont is kind of bad, but if you download the one called "Wurlitzer" it sounds a lot more realistic.</p>
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