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    The volume on the lower manual (With the lower manual balance pot at max) matches the upper when I have Principale selected on the lower and Flute 8 selected on the upper. Adding Dolce and ottava on the lower slightly increases the volume while adding voices to the upper greatly increases the volume. As this is the first compact duo I've worked on, what is normal?

    Model is CD/30 Compact Duo

    Jim

  • #2
    No Principale is noticeably louder than flute 8 on my CD/30. Have you recapped the preamp board yet? I would say that mine only levelled up properly after replacing all of the electrolytic caps. The switch mechanisms are multi -contact in many cases and you may have dirty contacts in there too. WHen I first got the CD/30 the lower manual was quieter and I had to change one of the transistors in there. Have you found the schematic and owners manual? David Anderson is the other forum member with lots of experience of tackling these beasts. Congrats on finding one though, They are very rewarding to play one they are working properly.
    Hammonds; BCV, M101, M102 White UK Factory Split, T202, R100, L162 chop
    Lowreys; Heritage DSA, Berkshire Deluxe TBO-1
    Farfisas; Compact Duo MK2, Professional 110R, Compact Deluxe, VIP233
    Analog Korg CX3
    Leslies; 147, 145, HL822 ​

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    • #3
      Thanks Dave
      I cleaned up the power to see what that would give me. I found manuals online. I'm in the process of figuring this beast out. Noticed tremolo wasn't working. Once I locate the boards and id the in's and out's I'll work through the problems.

      Jim

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      • #4
        Tremolo is optical. There is a small bulb that may have failed. Mine had the incorrect spec bulb and it seemed to affect the bulb in the expression pedal, making it pulse so if you do replace that bulb, stick exactly to the one called for in the schematic. It’s different to the spec used elsewhere in the organ.
        Last edited by Drawbar Dave; 02-13-2020, 10:22 PM.
        Hammonds; BCV, M101, M102 White UK Factory Split, T202, R100, L162 chop
        Lowreys; Heritage DSA, Berkshire Deluxe TBO-1
        Farfisas; Compact Duo MK2, Professional 110R, Compact Deluxe, VIP233
        Analog Korg CX3
        Leslies; 147, 145, HL822 ​

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        • #5
          I don't have the external expression pedal, but the knee lever has no effect. I'll dig into this later today and the weekend.

          Jim

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          • #6
            There are two bulbs in the knee lever unit. Do you have the original F/AR power supply with it? That should send 9 vac and 24vdc. The dc gets knocked down to 9 vdc by a diode as it enters the organ and then powers all of the boards. The 9 vac powers the knee lever bulbs, the expression pedal bulb and tremolo bulb. There's also a gizmo under the bottom right end panel that boosts the dc up much higher for the neon in the repeat circuit. Give me a shout if you need any help!
            Hammonds; BCV, M101, M102 White UK Factory Split, T202, R100, L162 chop
            Lowreys; Heritage DSA, Berkshire Deluxe TBO-1
            Farfisas; Compact Duo MK2, Professional 110R, Compact Deluxe, VIP233
            Analog Korg CX3
            Leslies; 147, 145, HL822 ​

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            • #7
              The knee lever will work with the expression pedal disconnected? The 125 VDC from the FA-28 bd under the right lower check block is ok. I'll start chasing the 9Vac.

              Jim

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              • Drawbar Dave
                Drawbar Dave commented
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                Yes it should do. Check for the 9 vac on the tag strip bottom right when viewed from rear. Organ should work full volume without the pedal. You can make up an adapter for the expression pedal plug and use a stock single ended synth pedal if needed.

            • #8
              The 9VAC is fine. The 9.8 VDC derived from the 9VAC is not. I disconnected the load to the diode and still nothing. The cap was replaced so I have a bad 2EQ5 diode. Replaced with a 1N4148. Now I have the 9.8 VDC. The volume is better and the tremolo works. The volume will vary by itself. Going to replace the electrolytic caps on the amp bd. Just a process of working through the issues.

              Thanks for the insight.

              Jim

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              • #9
                The 10 & 25uf caps on the PA-31 bd looked leaky. - one tested bad which was in the lower manual input. Replaced all. Manual volume is normal. On to the the divider and knee level.

                Jim

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                • #10
                  I would use something larger than a 1N4148 for any kind of DC rectification. Those are mainly used for key switching in organs. Their forward continuous current rating is only 300mA. There are known cases in guitar amps where designers tried to use 1N4148 for low voltage supplies, and they did not survive long term.
                  I'm David. 'Dave' is someone else's name.

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                  • #11
                    Thanks David - I replaced it with a 1N4004. Fun little organ.

                    Jim

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                    • David Anderson
                      David Anderson commented
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                      Much better.

                    • Drawbar Dave
                      Drawbar Dave commented
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                      That rings a bell I think that’s what I used in mine too.

                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Drawbar Dave View Post
                    There are two bulbs in the knee lever unit. Do you have the original F/AR power supply with it? That should send 9 vac and 24vdc. The dc gets knocked down to 9 vdc by a diode as it enters the organ and then powers all of the boards. The 9 vac powers the knee lever bulbs, the expression pedal bulb and tremolo bulb. There's also a gizmo under the bottom right end panel that boosts the dc up much higher for the neon in the repeat circuit. Give me a shout if you need any help!
                    Yes thank you! I would need some help/advice how to best approach that frequent Percussion/Repeat issue on CD MKII. Symptoms:

                    • Repeat + Percussion fast (left position on rotary switch) on upper manual do not work (just straight sound)
                    • Percussion medium-slow on upper Manual working.
                    • Perc/Repeat on lower manual does not work.
                    • Percussion on Bass manual/Pedals working (medium-slow)
                    • Tremolo working
                    • Knee booster working.

                    Bulbs working or replaced. Some Facon-Caps replaced on the board. Heatsink-Transistor is warming up. I guess it should be somewhere in the Perc-Rep-Board.

                    Is that the right track? How to proceed with this issue? Any idea is very welcome.
                    music never stops

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                    • #13
                      I have never had to repair the percussion on my CD30, just the Tremolo. Firstly there are two separate percussion circuits. The bass/pedal one is totally different.

                      The rotary selector for fast/medium/slow has capacitors attached to it to time the decay. You might replace the capacitors or check the solder joints. As for the lower manual not working, it does not behave in the same way as the upper IIRC. If you hold a chord on the upper and it has decayed, what happens if you then press a key on the lower manual? It should retrigger the chord on the upper manual.
                      Hammonds; BCV, M101, M102 White UK Factory Split, T202, R100, L162 chop
                      Lowreys; Heritage DSA, Berkshire Deluxe TBO-1
                      Farfisas; Compact Duo MK2, Professional 110R, Compact Deluxe, VIP233
                      Analog Korg CX3
                      Leslies; 147, 145, HL822 ​

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by Drawbar Dave View Post
                        I have never had to repair the percussion on my CD30, just the Tremolo. Firstly there are two separate percussion circuits. The bass/pedal one is totally different.

                        The rotary selector for fast/medium/slow has capacitors attached to it to time the decay. You might replace the capacitors or check the solder joints. As for the lower manual not working, it does not behave in the same way as the upper IIRC. If you hold a chord on the upper and it has decayed, what happens if you then press a key on the lower manual? It should retrigger the chord on the upper manual.
                        Thank you very much! A useful hint. First target to check: the rotary selector.
                        music never stops

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by Drawbar Dave View Post
                          I have never had to repair the percussion on my CD30, just the Tremolo. Firstly there are two separate percussion circuits. The bass/pedal one is totally different.

                          The rotary selector for fast/medium/slow has capacitors attached to it to time the decay. You might replace the capacitors or check the solder joints. As for the lower manual not working, it does not behave in the same way as the upper IIRC. If you hold a chord on the upper and it has decayed, what happens if you then press a key on the lower manual? It should retrigger the chord on the upper manual.
                          Thanks again Dave for your valuable advice. I took a closer look and some meditation, before changing two suspect caps (arrows) on the Perc-board. Voilà. Repeat is working properly again. I am so happy. Thank you so much 👍

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