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    Greetings and Salutations!</p>

    This is my first post. I have a Hammond T-312 which I have been gigging with in my rock n' roll band for almost a year. I love everything about it. I bought it after locating it on Craigslist some months ago. Everything worked perfectly when I bought it, with the exception of the G bass pedal (non-functional). </p>

    I need some help, and perhaps some veterans of this site can be of assistance to my plight. I have a gig upcoming this Sunday and need to fix a problem before then, which arose last night. I was at practice last night and as we finished a song, with a quick stop, the organ kept sounding, which is bizarre, because I was not pressing any keys or pedals. After some investigation, everything is normal except for the 16' drawbar for the upper manual. All other functions are normal. When all drawbars are in, and I slowly pull out the 16', the organ sounds out a continuous middle G tone, not pressing any keys. All other upper manual drawbars (and lower ones) function fine, and reflect normal range of operation. The 16' drawbar acts as a volume control for the continous "G", which sounds as long as the 16' is pulled out. With the 16' out to any extent, all other notes, including the G are fully playable, and there is no difference in normal operation, except the continuous "G". </p>

    Before this occurred, as the rest of the band was setting up, I was cleaning the black "shelf" beneath the drawbar area with a damp paper towel and a dry paper towel. I got tired of getting up for a new fresh damp paper towel from the sink in the other room, and used a little beer (like a fool) to dampen the paper towel. I was extremely careful to make sure the drawbar area was completely dry before moving them at all, however, a slight amount of tiny water droplets may have gotten into there, darnit. In my effort to keep the hammond shiny and clean, perhaps I have damaged something. Here's the thing in this regard: we played about 5 songs over the course of 20 minutes, perhaps a half hour or so before the end of the song when the "G" began ringing. What my guess is, is that I hit the mid G key too hard on the upper manual, and it may have jarred a contact, so that continous contact was engaged. Or beer caused a corrosion inside.
    </p>

    I can play the gig with the 16' all the way in, but this would be annoying because I usually do my solos on the upper manual, without the percussion tabs on (standard drawbars + small vibrato for natural overdrive through the amplification.) The 16' is an essential part of the sound, and adds the volume (a lot) necessary for me to cut through the mix when I play my lead parts (relative to the lower manual [bass/rhythm] mix which is a softer drawbar arrangement). </p>

    I do not have the service manual for the T-312. I plan to open up the organ a few hours before the show in order to adjust whatever the problem is. Does anyone have any advice as to what specific landmarks I should look for in fixing the drawbar/contact issue, and also what I should do as far as light disassembly? I have looked in the back of the organ many times, and know the names/locations of the parts. What I am looking for is probably a specific tiny area associated with the upper manual, correct? If anyone has any advice, please post something in response. The idea is to fix this before the show on Sunday, but I have long term preservation in mind for the organ in general. In addition, does anyone know what I should look for, or try in the silent G bass pedal region? Any recommendations on a PDF file for the 300 series service manual would be great too. Thank you very much. Have a wonderful day!
    </p>

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    Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !



    I had this on my old T200. When I had taken off the metal cover behind the tabs many times. Something in there a screw or wire was shorting out and removing the metal cover and tidying up seemed to fix it. Make sure all the circuit boards etc are secure as well.</p>

    I looked for a T200 manual for months with no success. In the end I used the T500/XTP manual on Captain Foldbacks site and the T500 manual that Brendon kindly uploaded. I am sure he will be along soon and can tell you where to download it from.</p>

    I found a 20yr old pint of beer inside the organ when I rebuilt it. It hadn't stopped it from working!</p>

    Cheers</p>

    Dave</p>

    </p>

    </p>

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    • #3
      Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !

      [quote user="tonewheel1966"]


      I found a 20yr old pint of beer inside the organ when I rebuilt it. It hadn't stopped it from working!</P>


      [/quote]</P>



      The question is, did you drink the pint?!? [B][:D]</P>


      Now THAT would be a true Hammond man!</P>


      TD</P>
      Nobody loves me but my mother,
      And she could be jivin' too...

      --BB King

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      • #4
        Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !

        That answers the age-old question: "Hey! Where'd I put my beer? Have you seen my beer?" ....Who'd have thought it was in the the Hammond?

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        • #5
          Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !



          Thanks, Tonewheel '66! I was wondering if anyone else ever had that same malfunction. Does anyone know the effects of hot weather and humidity on Hammonds? Also, where can I get the best manufacturing date verification on the web with the serial #? </p>

          Capt. Foldback's site gave me some info on it; I determined the T-312 I have is oak, and was made between 1968-74. It has the "Rhythm Rail", with that great "machine gun" noise, which I can annoy my bandmates with. Another site claims the "Rail" was manufactured between summer 1968 and summer 1969. Could they have slapped a "Rail" on the organ after this date, before shipping it out? I just need to verify that serial #! </p>

          What kind of beer was it?
          </p>

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          • #6
            Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !

            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Former T-300 owner here;<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The T-300 was replaced by the T-400 and later the T-500, both with Auto-Rhythm.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I wouldn’t think there was an add-on accessory Rhythm Rail available.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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            <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The Blue Book states the T-300 production years were 1968-69.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></SPAN>
            Have: Hammond 340212 Elegante
            Had: Hammond T-311 and 333114 Colonnade
            Never will have: Laurens Hammond 350 w/ 2 - 751 Leslies

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            • #7
              Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !



              The XTP manual is the right one, thanks captain foldback!</P>


              http://www.captain-foldback.com/Hamm...schematics.htm</P>


              Scroll down til you see it.</P>
              <P mce_keep="true"></P>


              I haven't had a key sounding for the same reason as Dave (tonewheel1966) but I have had other things happen because of it. </P>


              After fooling with the bass pedals I lost a few tones, a whole lot of dust had fallen into the pedal contacts when I had the organ on its back. I unbolted the amp chassis so I could see the pedal contacts and sprayed the necessary one with a contact cleaner. It washed it out and came right.</P>


              I have had keys stuck down before, for several reasons after doing foldback and manual tapering mods.</P>


              The least likely is that a key contact has actually stuck down. But it could happen! Push everything else in except for the 16' drawbar. Find which key it is and stab the hell out of it in the hope it might release again, surgery will take too long in your situation.</P>


              The most likely is that the assembly above the manual (in this case it's your upper manual, so that'll be the Tab assembly) has shifted slightly and is pressing on a key. Loosen the bolts andpush it back and re tighten it.</P>


              The THIRD reason is the tab in the key channnel is just pushing on the plastic actuator lever too much. Because it could be out by just a hairit's probable it would only activate one contact instead of all of them.I had this after I fiddled with the action on my keyboard (I got sick of having to press the keys down so far before they sounded. Slowed my playing up too much and made my timing less accurate)</P>


              Here's a picture of what to do in this case:</P>


              </P>


              Except do the opposite of what I'm doing here. Instead of levering the tab down, lever it up just a little, until you hear the sound stop.</P>


              So there's three more options for you!</P>


              If you want to do other mods to your T let us know, I've spent the last 7 or 8 months desecrating my T-500 and the results are fun.</P>


              As for the machine gun effects on the pecussion, check out Ronnie Svenblad's use of them on his T-500 </P>


              http://www.myspace.com/svenblad</P>


              The tune is Funderingar. The effect sounds very analogue synth! </P>


              In one of my fool around jams I tried it also:</P>


              http://cid-0d7741cc63af1adc.skydrive...p3?sa=20983857</P>


              I've been having trouble with the direct download option, so this link will take you to my public folder where you can download the tune. "it's not always like this" If you scroll through the folder you'll also find the T500 manual which is in two parts. The XTP manual however will be closer to your model.</P>


              Cheers!</P>


              -Brendon</P>
              -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
              -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
              -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
              -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
              -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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              • #8
                Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !

                Was the beer in a can?! Bizarre!

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                • #9
                  Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !

                  Thank you very much for your assistance! Very informative indeed! I will let you know of the outcome! I plan to fix it tomorrow. Thank you again!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !



                    Brendon,</p>

                    Thanks for your help! Here's what happened. I took off the back of the organ before the show, turned it on, and it actually fixed itself. The noise was gone after 3 days of shutdown time. I played with the drawbar a bit, and the sound stuck again, but a bit of stabbing on the G key in question made it stop. It seems it just gets a bit stuck for some reason.</p>

                    I took the opportunity to oil the Hammond up, and there were no problems on stage. The show went so well, that the band that traveled across the country from California to perform with our band told us after the show, that that night was the best of all their tour dates by far! That was a nice compliment to receive.</p>

                    Thanks!!
                    </p>

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                    • #11
                      Re: Help needed for Hammond T-312 !



                      Phew!!</P>


                      I'm so glad about that!</P>


                      I've played guitar for years with bands, but MAN the feel you get playing the Hammond in a band setting is AMAZING!</P>


                      I answered one of your other threads, as you'll know, but If you do want to rock' n' roll your T's sound even more, that's my current life hobby. I can pass on everything I've learned if you've got the time to do a lot of soldering!</P>


                      The advantage of buying a clonewheel is only portablility, and if your cabinet is too nice to chop and you'd prefer to keep it home, that's an important factor.</P>


                      Cheers!</P>


                      -Brendon</P>
                      -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
                      -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
                      -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
                      -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
                      -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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                      • #12
                        Please,please!

                        This Is Hammond Organ Club Holland

                        Could you send us some pictures, of that unique organ???

                        It is , to putv it in our Hammond encyclopedia;

                        Please alsa of the number-plate on the back!!!

                        Best Regards!

                        Jan herbert jr


                        [email protected]





                        This is my first post. I have a Hammond T-312 which I have been gigging with in my rock n' roll band for almost a year. I love everything about it. I bought it after locating it on Craigslist some months ago. Everything worked perfectly when I bought it, with the exception of the G bass pedal (non-functional). </p>

                        I need some help, and perhaps some veterans of this site can be of assistance to my plight. I have a gig upcoming this Sunday and need to fix a problem before then, which arose last night. I was at practice last night and as we finished a song, with a quick stop, the organ kept sounding, which is bizarre, because I was not pressing any keys or pedals. After some investigation, everything is normal except for the 16' drawbar for the upper manual. All other functions are normal. When all drawbars are in, and I slowly pull out the 16', the organ sounds out a continuous middle G tone, not pressing any keys. All other upper manual drawbars (and lower ones) function fine, and reflect normal range of operation. The 16' drawbar acts as a volume control for the continous "G", which sounds as long as the 16' is pulled out. With the 16' out to any extent, all other notes, including the G are fully playable, and there is no difference in normal operation, except the continuous "G". </p>

                        Before this occurred, as the rest of the band was setting up, I was cleaning the black "shelf" beneath the drawbar area with a damp paper towel and a dry paper towel. I got tired of getting up for a new fresh damp paper towel from the sink in the other room, and used a little beer (like a fool) to dampen the paper towel. I was extremely careful to make sure the drawbar area was completely dry before moving them at all, however, a slight amount of tiny water droplets may have gotten into there, darnit. In my effort to keep the hammond shiny and clean, perhaps I have damaged something. Here's the thing in this regard: we played about 5 songs over the course of 20 minutes, perhaps a half hour or so before the end of the song when the "G" began ringing. What my guess is, is that I hit the mid G key too hard on the upper manual, and it may have jarred a contact, so that continous contact was engaged. Or beer caused a corrosion inside.
                        </p>

                        I can play the gig with the 16' all the way in, but this would be annoying because I usually do my solos on the upper manual, without the percussion tabs on (standard drawbars + small vibrato for natural overdrive through the amplification.) The 16' is an essential part of the sound, and adds the volume (a lot) necessary for me to cut through the mix when I play my lead parts (relative to the lower manual [bass/rhythm] mix which is a softer drawbar arrangement). </p>

                        I do not have the service manual for the T-312. I plan to open up the organ a few hours before the show in order to adjust whatever the problem is. Does anyone have any advice as to what specific landmarks I should look for in fixing the drawbar/contact issue, and also what I should do as far as light disassembly? I have looked in the back of the organ many times, and know the names/locations of the parts. What I am looking for is probably a specific tiny area associated with the upper manual, correct? If anyone has any advice, please post something in response. The idea is to fix this before the show on Sunday, but I have long term preservation in mind for the organ in general. In addition, does anyone know what I should look for, or try in the silent G bass pedal region? Any recommendations on a PDF file for the 300 series service manual would be great too. Thank you very much. Have a wonderful day!
                        </p>[/QUOTE]

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                        • #13
                          Glad you found the problem and well done on getting a T. I love my lightly modded T200. If you haven't got a Leslie yet I can recommend taking out the internal Leslie and making a speaker box for it. The improvement in the sound is great.

                          Derek

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