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    This organ is a one-owner, living room condition model B3 with a matching Leslie model 51. I almost cried when the woman called me yesterday to offer it for sale for about 10% of what she knows she can get for it, but she knows I'll play it and not sell it for more. I think the pictures will give you an idea on the condition. What isstringbass?</P>


    Also, I am notfamiliarwith the model 51 Leslie. Does anyone have any details on this model?</P>
    1960 Hammond M3
    1956 Hammond C3
    Leslie 122
    Neo Ventilator
    Motion Sound Pro3X (junkbox)
    Wurlitzer 200A Electric Piano
    Hohner Pianet T
    Hohner Clavinet D6
    Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
    Kohler Spinet Piano

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    Weird!</p>

    The links came up on the email but not on google chrome!</p>

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    Main feature of String Bass is it can add sustain to the pedals.</p>

    The main thing I can say for the 51 is it looks beautiful!</p>

    From what I understand, those two digit numbers were the real vintage leslies, the old school Jazz guys love 'em with a passion. they're single speed, I think... I'm just about to do a google search.</p>

    http://www.captain-foldback.com/Leslie_sub/chorale2.htm</p>

    Ah, the Captain comes up trumps again! Gotta love that guy's passion for the instrument.</p>

    If the lady really wants you to have it, you might have to borrow what you can to pay for that beast!</p>

    It would be a huge honour to take over stewardship of the pair, the B3 and leslie.</p>

    G'wan.</p>

    Thank her profusely and send her many recordings.</p>

    Cheers!</p>

    -Brendoon</p>

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    -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
    -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
    -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
    -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
    -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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      PS, I envy you...</p>

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      If you don;'t have the room, maybe you could offer to find a good owner on her behalf, on the other hand.</p>

      It should go to a good owner.</p>

      If I didn't live here, I'd offer with relish.....</p>
      -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
      -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
      -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
      -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
      -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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        Hi Brendon! I've already taken her up on her offer. She even offered me a payment plan! The price is less than $1000 US!![O:] It's been raining Hammonds on me since last week because I also have a great lead on some damaged Hammonds that I could chop so I won't have to play out on the B3. I'm looking for an A100 for that purpose. THIS lady is staying in my rehearsal room! What a find this B3 is! </p>

        Any chance that I would be able to modify the Leslie 51, and upgrade to 2 speeds? What speed is it? Fast?! I sure hope so.. </p>
        1960 Hammond M3
        1956 Hammond C3
        Leslie 122
        Neo Ventilator
        Motion Sound Pro3X (junkbox)
        Wurlitzer 200A Electric Piano
        Hohner Pianet T
        Hohner Clavinet D6
        Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
        Kohler Spinet Piano

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          Nice find at a great price- enjoy!</P>


          The Leslie 51 is a 2-channel system, and was originally made for Conn organs (called 51C)but later sold as a "universal" cabinet (the "C" was dropped). </P>


          As the B3 is a single channel organ, maybe the second channel the Leslie is not being used? Or maybe it is carrying someafter-market feature (like a reverb channel to make it more like an A100??) added to it later on?? I did notice there are two half-moon switches, where usually with a single channel Leslie hooked to an organ with no internal speakers, there would only be one switch.</P>


          If you are used to single-channel Leslies, please note the 6-pin wiring is different for the 2-channel leslies. Since you already know it works with the B3, keep it hooked up there, and don't try hooking it up to any of your other organs without the proper connector kit. I assume you are not using the balancedaudio from the B3 since the 51C is not set up for that. </P>


          Hope this info helps. Hammonds et. al. aren't my area of expertise, but I just happened to know about the 51 Leslie.</P>


          Have fun! - jim</P>
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          Jimmy Williams
          Hobbyist (organist/technician)
          Gulbransen Model D with Leslie 204

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            I've got a sweet 51 with the Carribean Controls 2-Speed thingy in it. </P>


            It works by sending pulses to the single motor to maintain a "slow/chorus" speed, and is adjustable in that aspect. Worksgreat, and requires no irreversable mods.</P>


            Here it is at Goff's store:</P>


            http://www.goffprof.com/shopping.jsp?p=140</P>
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              In addition to my last message, about the speeds...</P>


              Yes the 51 is a single-speed Leslie (fast or off). It was upgraded later on to two speeds and that model is called the 251 (why not 151 - who knows??).</P>


              There are several after-market motor controllers to "convert" single-speed cabinets to dual speed. The Hammond guys can give their recommendations. You already got agreat deal on the package, so take the plunge and sink a few hundred bucks into a good motor controller - preferably one that is "non-destructive" as possible to install, instead of trying to re-engineer the Leslie by putting in new motors, holes, switching relays, etc. - not worth it to hack up a piece in such good shape as you got there!</P>


              -jim</P>
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              Jimmy Williams
              Hobbyist (organist/technician)
              Gulbransen Model D with Leslie 204

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                Ahh!</p>

                Tis' a dream!</p>

                I can see ya grinning from ear to ear from here!</p>

                -Brendoon</p>
                -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
                -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
                -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
                -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
                -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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                  OMG,</p>

                  A dream indeed-what a deal, what a beauty on both!</p>

                  BBB
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                  http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                  Yamaha DGX-300
                  1959 Hammond M3
                  1961 Hammond A101
                  VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                  1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                  1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                  2011 Neo Ventilator
                  Casio WK-7500
                  Yamaha P50m Module
                  Roland VR-09
                  Casio PX-5S

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                    I actually know the feeling, I got my B3 Leslie 22H in about the same condition as that one, from CL for $1200. I just happened to see with in a minute after he posted it, and was the first of hundreds of calls he got on it. A stand up guy, he wasn't looking to monetize it after he realized he could have fetched more. He kept to our phone agreement as per his CL ad asked. To this day I realize it was a gift every time I play it. </p>

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                    http://www.wetnoodle.net/HammondB3/b3.htm</p>


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                      Wow!</p>

                      That's beautiful!</p>

                      I can't believe the grain on the front of the leslie......</p>
                      -1958 Hofner 550 archtop guitar -1959 C3 and PR40- -1964 Busillachio Harmonium- -1964 M101-
                      -1967ish Leslie 122- -1975 T500 (modded..chopped, and reassembled!)-
                      -DIY 760 FrankenLeslie/rat hideout-
                      -1980 Electrokey Electric Piano- -Yamaha electric Harmonium (early 80's?)-
                      -1990 Jansen GMF150 amp- -1992 Korg 01W/fd- -1992 G&L S-500 geetar.

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                        I haven't picked it up yet, but soon... The woman also told me that her husband worked on Hammonds. He bought it from the company that he worked for in the 1950's. Score!</p>

                        I did notice that there are 2 switches on the front, as well as a "string bass" contraption. Not sure what the purpose is yet, but I'll find out;)</p>

                        I'm still a little fuzzy on what the single speed Leslie entails, as well as the channel/channels. Can't find much info on either topic.</p>
                        1960 Hammond M3
                        1956 Hammond C3
                        Leslie 122
                        Neo Ventilator
                        Motion Sound Pro3X (junkbox)
                        Wurlitzer 200A Electric Piano
                        Hohner Pianet T
                        Hohner Clavinet D6
                        Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
                        Kohler Spinet Piano

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                          Here's what the string bass effect most likely is:</p>

                          http://www.tonewheelgeneral.com/buil...em_no=SB-2500B </p>

                          Check out the price tag. Makes this Hammond even more of a steal.</p>

                          Single speed Leslies go from "off" to "tremolo"--I think the switch actually says "Tremolo" with "On" and "Off" positions for the switch. With this Leslie, I believe the two channels are just main (dry) and reverb. The main channel takes the organ sound and plays it through the speakers normally, whereas the reverb channel uses a separate reverb channel (organs like the M100 and A100 have this--you can get a Trek II one for your B3 if you so desire) and puts that into a couple stationary 6X9 speakers. A lot of people don't like the sound of "spun reverb" so this way it separates the Leslie effect from the reverb effect.</p>

                          Other multi-channel Leslies use the different channels for different types of organ tones--flutes, tibia, reeds, etc. I don't actually know anything about classical or theatre organs but I'm fairly sure that's how they work. This way, different groups of tones get Leslie'd in different ways, i.e. some stationary, some through a Rotosonic, some through a horn, etc. Hammonds are pretty basic by comparison and only require a main channel, which can be thought of as the flutes channel since that's what Hammond sine wave tones amount to. I think that's why many classical organists (and organ companies) complained that Hammonds were not an adequate replacement for real pipe organs.
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                          1955 M3 (in good hands!)
                          1962 A100
                          1942 BC
                          too many other keyboards...

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                            Thanks for clearing that up for me, redoctoberff! I did notice that the B3 has 2 switches as well as the string bass selector.</P>


                            JimmyWilliams, you DO know quite a it about Leslies! I'll be sure not to "cross the beams" and hook my M3 up to it! I don't think this one has reverb installed, BUT I did find a Mass-Rowe Carilloninstalled! Here's a picture of the tag: </P>


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                            Here's a picture of the switches on it. I still don't understand the two Leslie switches.</P>


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                            1960 Hammond M3
                            1956 Hammond C3
                            Leslie 122
                            Neo Ventilator
                            Motion Sound Pro3X (junkbox)
                            Wurlitzer 200A Electric Piano
                            Hohner Pianet T
                            Hohner Clavinet D6
                            Hohner Clavinet Pianet Duo
                            Kohler Spinet Piano

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                              So I looked up that particular string bass add-on, the Kruger, which I've heard of, and turns out it was made my Maas-Rowe same as the Carillon (which I think is a chime, if its the same thing as eddielance's Carillon Chime?) that you found installed as well. Apparently the original owner was into aftermarket add-ons. I believe these ones are pretty old as well, probably 60s or 70s. You should record clips of them.</p>

                              The switch on the right is your Tremolo On/Off for the single speed Leslie. The left, called a Main Ensemble Echo (MEE) switch, is for Hammond rigs with either a Leslie and a tone cab or a Leslie + internal or other stationary speakers. I think the way it works is that Main switches just the stationary speakers on, Echo is just the Leslie, and Ensemble is both. Maybe this B had a tone cab at one point; since it lacks internal speakers that wouldn't be a reason for an MEE switch.</p>

                              Anyway, congrats on this killer deal.
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                              1955 M3 (in good hands!)
                              1962 A100
                              1942 BC
                              too many other keyboards...

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