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  • Does the H100 use the same vibrato scanner as a B3?

    I've been looking at tone generators on ebay because I'm thinking of using an H100/X77 TG in my M3. I have the 86 frequency generator, and I'd like to use a 96 frequency TG to reduce the number of notes that have to be folded back. The TGs I've seen have said that they include the vibrato scanner, but it wasn't in the picture on the two I found. At least, I didn't see a scanner where mine is. Are the 96 frequency TGs similar to the 91 frequency ones in the x3/A,D100 models?
    1955 M3 chopper (cab was full of black mold)
    1998 Triumph Daytona, stock rake
    Korg Kronos X 61
    Home-made harmonica amp; modified JTM-45 pre-amp, Champ power amp, Jensen P12R

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    I found the vibrato scanner on the other side of the TG. I've also found an E100 TG for a good price, which seems like a similar one or the same as the H100 TG. I read in another post that there is an extra scanner underneath the shelf on the H100, is that the same for the E100? Will using one of these make my M3 sound different, or is it similar to an M3 or B3 TG? Will I be able to hook up the vibrato and will it sound the same?

    Edit: What I meant in the first post is I'm trying to lower the bottom manual an octave without using an octave divider pedal in the circuit, not reduce foldback.
    Last edited by slowtrain; 05-25-2014, 11:40 AM.
    1955 M3 chopper (cab was full of black mold)
    1998 Triumph Daytona, stock rake
    Korg Kronos X 61
    Home-made harmonica amp; modified JTM-45 pre-amp, Champ power amp, Jensen P12R

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    • #3
      The scanners in the H are different than those on the A,B,C,D,M...etc models.

      I had an E100 here once, but don't remember if it uses same scanner as the H...if I had to guess, I would say they use the same scanner.
      I am pretty sure the TG is different between the H and E, though.

      There were 3 generations of scanners and mounting in the H:
      -the square scanners
      -the drum scanners that are mounted under the TG shelf were actually a field retrofit for the square scanners, so you may see a square scanner on the right side (opposite the run motor) that was left there because it is so difficult to remove, and disconnected.
      -the drum scanners that are mounted on the left of the TG and are driven by belts.

      I have some of both the square and drum scanners here...you can have them for cost of shipping.


      Bob
      In theory, there is no difference between theory and reality.
      In reality, there is.
      '54 C-2 & Pair of 122 Leslies
      H-324/Series 10 TC
      '35 Model A (Serial# 41) with a 21H
      Look at some of my rescues:
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums

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      • #4
        The E-100 generator doesn't have the bass notes... they have a divider circuit for making bass.
        Current organs: AV, M-3, A-100
        Current Leslies: 22H, 122, 770

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        • #5
          I also have a TG from an H...an early one with the square scanners.

          If you want it, it is yours for cost of postage. (it is pretty heavy)

          Bob
          In theory, there is no difference between theory and reality.
          In reality, there is.
          '54 C-2 & Pair of 122 Leslies
          H-324/Series 10 TC
          '35 Model A (Serial# 41) with a 21H
          Look at some of my rescues:
          https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums

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          • #6
            Remember the H-100's are 'starter motor' free ( just a single ON/OFF). I can dig an M3 with an H-100 TWG. I was wondering why my former H-182 seemed to have two scanners Bobmann. It had that belt driven scanner mounted under the TWG platform. Actually 2 belts on that scanner. As I recall the smaller belt operated the CELESTE and the larger was for the Vibrato maybe?? AT any rate, I really liked the Celeste because it reminded me of the way the early Chorus Tone Wheel Generator on the BC/D/E's sounded. Would like to know what the audio levels are going into and coming out of the stand alone DRUM SCANNER
            . Would it be possible to utilize this scanner on one of my other non-Hammond organs so long as I deal with the audio matching? Would love to have the H-100 drum scanner on my Gulbransen 1132 ( the same tone generators as the Rialto K btw)or my Conn Classic 815.
            Wurlitzer '46' Model 31 Orgatron & 310 rotary cab, 56' 4410 , 65' 4300
            Hammond '55' S6 Chord Organ,HR-40,ER-20, 1971 X66/& 12-77 tone cabinet w/ 122 kit & TREK Transposer- of which I've retrofitted a Wurlitzer/Lowrey 'PedAL gLIdE' awesome!
            Gulbransen 61' 1132 '76' Rialto II & Leslie 705 + two 540
            Conn '57' 406 Caprice '59' 815 Classic (the 29th 815)
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            • #7
              Harold of Middletown KY also pointed out to me: the H round scanners have half as many plates as the the square scanners. I'm not sure why this is an "improvement" except a cost saver. I've got two pairs of square and one pair of round, and I'm not sure one is better than the other.
              One advantage of the round scanner ECO, they come with a separate motor to drive them, which gives you the possibility of driving the synchronous motor with a motor drive. this allow more speeds than two fo the scanners (regular and celeste), and coastdown from high to intermediate speed, which would make the simulation of a leslie even better.
              city Hammond H-182 organ (2 ea),A100,10-82 TC, Wurlitzer 4500, Schober Recital Organ, Steinway 40" console , Sohmer 39" pianos, Ensoniq EPS, ; country Hammond H112

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bobmann View Post
                I also have a TG from an H...an early one with the square scanners.

                If you want it, it is yours for cost of postage. (it is pretty heavy)

                Bob
                Thanks a lot Bob, that's very generous. I'd like to take you up on that offer and take one of the drum scanners as well. I'll PM my address, so you can figure out the shipping. I'm not in a hurry for them, so take all the time you'd like. Thanks to everyone else for the information :)
                1955 M3 chopper (cab was full of black mold)
                1998 Triumph Daytona, stock rake
                Korg Kronos X 61
                Home-made harmonica amp; modified JTM-45 pre-amp, Champ power amp, Jensen P12R

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                • #9
                  Thanks again for the generous offer Bob :) I've downloaded the H100 service manual, and I think I can make the square scanner work. I'm just going to be using the B3 vibrato and chorus circuit, so someone else can use the drum scanner. It sounds like a great celeste and vibrato circuit, but it would be a little over my head to make it work. Thanks again for all the help everyone!
                  1955 M3 chopper (cab was full of black mold)
                  1998 Triumph Daytona, stock rake
                  Korg Kronos X 61
                  Home-made harmonica amp; modified JTM-45 pre-amp, Champ power amp, Jensen P12R

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                  • #10
                    Sorry for the delay in responding.
                    I cannot attach pictures to an email from here...hence the reply to the forum.

                    Here is what I have, just let me know specifically what you need and I will get it packed up this week.
                    Keep in mind that the H uses 2 scanners...either a pair of square ones or a pair of the drum design.

                    If you have the under shelf drum scanner, there may be a square scanner at the right side of the TG that is unused. The under shelf unit was a field retrofit to change over from square to drum. The square scanner on the right is a PIA to remove, so that is why it was normally just left in place.
                    Here is the TG with the 2 square scanners that you can have:
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                    I also have one of the under shelf drum scanner units:
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                    These also use 3 line boxes. Here is a picture of 2 different configurations; one with 2 connectors, the other with 3 connectors. Do you want either of these?
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                    Just shoot me a note of which parts you need.

                    Bob
                    In theory, there is no difference between theory and reality.
                    In reality, there is.
                    '54 C-2 & Pair of 122 Leslies
                    H-324/Series 10 TC
                    '35 Model A (Serial# 41) with a 21H
                    Look at some of my rescues:
                    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums

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