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  • Mike Reed's Grandee Problems

    Mike Reed, the player that has all those great uploads on YouTube, messaged me with some problems he's having with his Grandee. He's describing intermittent functions and voices, and says his usual remedy for getting things to work is to play big blocks of chords on both manuals repeatidly. Also, if you've watched any of his videos, you've likely noticed that he always turns the organ off and back on again before playing. He says doing so usually corrects some of the problems. He asked where he can get replacement LSI chips, thinking that they may be the problem, but I'm leaning more toward the edge connectors and ground connections. At least, that's where I'd recommend he begin. A thorough cleaning of the connectors may very well correct most, if not all the problems. It's been my experience that an LSI chip either functions as intended or doesn't, but I'm certainly open to other recommendations. I also noticed a thump from the speakers when he turns the organ off and back on again. That thump could be enough to correct a loose connection, although recycling the power supply might also be playing a part. I might also suggest a rebuild of the PSU: as in filter caps and supply-related diodes. Another idea I may suggest is for him to buy another functioning Grandee simply to store and have as a donor organ. Again, smarter folks than me might have better ideas. As aalways, your help is greatly appreciated.
    Over the years: Hammond M3, BC, M102, B3, four X77s and three PR-40s, a Thomas Electra and a Celebrity, three Fender Rhodes, Roland HS-10, HP-2000, HP-600, RD-600, JV-880, a thing made by Korg (?), two Leslie 910s, 122, 257, 258, 247, two 142s, and three custom-built Leslies. Wow, way too much money spent!

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    Based on my limited experience with an LSI Hammond, I'd say that all it really needs is a can of DeOxit and a weekend spent disassembling and cleaning every connector, including those ones hiding under the power supply.

    New capacitors probably wouldn't hurt but I don't expect they are really a problem yet. New chips are probably not necessary at all.

    I'm a big fan of Mr. Reed. My wife and I frequently watch his videos on our TV.

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    • #3
      Another follower of Mike Reed here.

      Although Celedonia Organ Service does list some LSI chips on their website, I would think the intermittent nature of the problems would be related to connectors. Yes, cleaning the connectors is the place to start I'd say.


      I have the same thump in my Elegante on power up. The source of intermittent problems in my organ haver been disc capacitors but it is a second generation LSI instrument. The Grsndee is a first.


      Bnelson, I came across a video of your X-77 B organ project. Sorry to hear that it did not work out, as you seemed to put a lot of time and maybe even money into it.
      Have: Hammond 340212 Elegante
      Had: Hammond T-311 and 333114 Colonnade
      Never will have: Laurens Hammond 350 w/ 2 - 751 Leslies

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      • #4
        I too enjoy Mike Reed's videos. That is some real beautiful music he makes, with a style that not many people know how to do ( well anyhow ) anymore.

        I have no idea of how many parts, boards, chips, etc are common between a Grandee and a Concorde, but I have amost all of the parts from a mostly working Concorde here, as I just took it apart a couple of weeks ago. Power supply and amp chassis was working when taken apart. This one had edge connector issues like they all do, but I had no desire to restore it, as that style of organ does not fit my style of playing. I have a big box with all the LSI cards - I have not tossed anything in the trash yet. PM me if I can be of help.
        Regards, Larry

        At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), US-1, EL-25 ( Chopped ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755. 1919 Wangerin 2/7 pipe organ.

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        • W4KSR
          W4KSR commented
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          Yes, and no. Celedonia Organ Service has a list of the 124-000000 series boards with descriptions under each board of the organs they fit. The power amps are the same. I have to look further to see if the whole power supply unit is interchangeable with the Concorde.

      • #5
        It does sound like the usual issue with connectors (AKA "LSI Disease") rearing its head. I'd imagine that the big blocks of chords that Mike says he plays are curing the issue with physical vibrations, and I agree that the power on 'thump' might well do the same thing.

        A thorough cleaning and reseating of all the connectors should do the trick, but if it is a board then hopefully Larry's offer may help out.

        Mike's playing is indeed in a style that is far less common than it used to be - and one that I regularly play in when faced with a Hammond and Leslie - and I hope to keep on hearing it!
        It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

        New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

        Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
        Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
        Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
        Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

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        • #6
          Originally posted by kkeys View Post
          Another follower of Mike Reed here.

          Although Celedonia Organ Service does list some LSI chips on their website, I would think the intermittent nature of the problems would be related to connectors. Yes, cleaning the connectors is the place to start I'd say.


          I have the same thump in my Elegante on power up. The source of intermittent problems in my organ haver been disc capacitors but it is a second generation LSI instrument. The Grsndee is a first.


          Bnelson, I came across a video of your X-77 B organ project. Sorry to hear that it did not work out, as you seemed to put a lot of time and maybe even money into it.
          Thanks for the kind words regarding my organ project. It was stretching into its 7th year and I really couldn't take the family's jokes any more (the Sistine Chapel didn't take this long!)
          Over the years: Hammond M3, BC, M102, B3, four X77s and three PR-40s, a Thomas Electra and a Celebrity, three Fender Rhodes, Roland HS-10, HP-2000, HP-600, RD-600, JV-880, a thing made by Korg (?), two Leslie 910s, 122, 257, 258, 247, two 142s, and three custom-built Leslies. Wow, way too much money spent!

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          • #7
            Originally posted by andyg View Post
            It does sound like the usual issue with connectors (AKA "LSI Disease") rearing its head. I'd imagine that the big blocks of chords that Mike says he plays are curing the issue with physical vibrations, and I agree that the power on 'thump' might well do the same thing.

            A thorough cleaning and reseating of all the connectors should do the trick, but if it is a board then hopefully Larry's offer may help out.

            Mike's playing is indeed in a style that is far less common than it used to be - and one that I regularly play in when faced with a Hammond and Leslie - and I hope to keep on hearing it!
            I wish we could somehow get an MP3 or similar version of his record that he recorded live 40 some years ago when he was an entertained working 5 nights a week. His style now is wonderful to listen to, but believe me, in those days he was a monster, and playing absolutely the sweetest B3 I have ever heard. Maybe someone on the forum has the ability to convert vinyl to an MP3 file, or a CD...? Let me know!
            Over the years: Hammond M3, BC, M102, B3, four X77s and three PR-40s, a Thomas Electra and a Celebrity, three Fender Rhodes, Roland HS-10, HP-2000, HP-600, RD-600, JV-880, a thing made by Korg (?), two Leslie 910s, 122, 257, 258, 247, two 142s, and three custom-built Leslies. Wow, way too much money spent!

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            • W4KSR
              W4KSR commented
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              Have you seen his YouTube video he made a few years before he had his channel? He played a pretty wild version of "Caravan". I think that was done in his garage, with a drummer.

          • #8
            I used a turntable connected to a computer to record some vinyl last year using a free program called audacity. It's similar to sound forge.

            Jim

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            • bnelson218
              bnelson218 commented
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              Nope, no drummer. That was an A100 (and a stuffed squirrel) in his garage and all the percussive effects he does on the manuals. As a side note: Mike is also a very accomplished drummer, which is how his Chop- Chop originated, (drumming rudiments done on the keyboard with both hands.)
              Last edited by bnelson218; 07-01-2019, 09:02 AM.

          • #9
            One very fast and easy way is use a $29 Behringer USB interface plugged into your phone running a $7 application called "USB Audio Recorder Pro"

            https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-UFO...%2C157&sr=8-47

            There are several versions of this interface but this model accepts standard line level inputs or direct magnetic phono.

            Audacity is fine but I think it is a little tedious 8) Your phone needs to be "USB OTG" capable but these days most probably are.
            Tom in Tulsa

            Fooling with: 1969 E100, 1955 M3, 1963 M100, Leslie 720

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            • #10
              Thanks also for the vinyl transfer recommendations. I guess I need to find out if Mike has a turntable. 😀
              Over the years: Hammond M3, BC, M102, B3, four X77s and three PR-40s, a Thomas Electra and a Celebrity, three Fender Rhodes, Roland HS-10, HP-2000, HP-600, RD-600, JV-880, a thing made by Korg (?), two Leslie 910s, 122, 257, 258, 247, two 142s, and three custom-built Leslies. Wow, way too much money spent!

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              • #11
                If someone wants to send the album to me I can transfer it. Its part of my studio services, but to help I'll provide this transfer for free (usually $60). If you need the album returned, please include money to cover return shipping. Private message me for shipping information if interested.
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                • #12
                  Originally posted by robb3 View Post
                  If someone wants to send the album to me I can transfer it. Its part of my studio services, but to help I'll provide this transfer for free (usually $60). If you need the album returned, please include money to cover return shipping. Private message me for shipping information if interested.
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                  Thank you very much for that. I'm trying to get Mike to find a copy. Will keep you advised.
                  Over the years: Hammond M3, BC, M102, B3, four X77s and three PR-40s, a Thomas Electra and a Celebrity, three Fender Rhodes, Roland HS-10, HP-2000, HP-600, RD-600, JV-880, a thing made by Korg (?), two Leslie 910s, 122, 257, 258, 247, two 142s, and three custom-built Leslies. Wow, way too much money spent!

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                  • #13
                    hey mike reed, i live in north olmsted right down the street from you .i sent you an email thur utube.dont know if you got it. anyhow i would be happy to fix you organ as i own a concord and have 10 hammond organs.please feel free to email me so we could exchange phone numbers. thanks terry

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                    • #14
                      I've really never noticed the "thump" you guys speak of,but I,too,enjoy Mike's playing!
                      Late 1980's Rodgers Essex 640

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                      • #15
                        hello, the thump your talking about only happens upon turning off or sometimes turning the organ on.its called transient sutdown tump.its not i big deal.most concords and grandees do it .mine concord does it and so does my hammond elegente.the sound comes from the power supply.ther is some teck info about this ,but you have to change a lot of components inside to make it stop doing that . to me its not a big thing. terry

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