Ebay Classic organs

Collapse

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



    Hi,</p>

    From the M3 user's manual that I got I found that there is a metal 'thingy' on the left side of the upper part of my M3's volume pedal. The manual wasn't clear 'what' moving that little gizmo did, but other places on the web seem to imply that its a (I'll use one guy's words...) a 'volume wobble'. Looking at the schematic, it would appear that indeed this is supposed to 'wobble' the volume through a pot.</p>

    However, when I move that little 'thingy' with my foot, I get no change in sound (that I can tell). </p>

    What is that thing supposed to do; and how can I tell if it works or not? </p>

    Any hints/comments etc are welcome.</p>

    Thanks,</p>

    Malcolm
    </p>

    </p>

  • #2
    Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



    That's a switch that's supposed to allow sustain of the bass notes.</P>


    If I had an M3 (calling Rich! Aww - never mind.), I'd convert it to control theLeslie.</P>


    I bought an M3 pedal off the 'bay, but I don't have the stomach (or the time) to determine if it will fit on my A100 - anybody know?</P>


    I've been trying to buy a footswitch from that guy in Oakland for a year - but I guess my money is not good enough... (sorry if it looks like I jacked your thread - but I think I answered your question.)</P>
    <P mce_keep="true"></P>


    Rob</P>

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



      You sure about that, Rob? I thought the M3 had no pedal sustain, and that pedal sustain only 'arrived' with the M100. </P>


      Usually Hammond useda footswitch to cut vibrato.</P>


      Andy</P>
      It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

      New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

      Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
      Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
      Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
      Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...

        It's definitely pedal sustain. I'm sitting at an M3 with it right now. I rewired another one to be a Leslie speed switch. Note that it's normally closed.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...

          It is absolutly a bass sustain. It makes the crappy bass sound of an M3 last even longer.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



            Thanks all!</p>

            You all seem to be correct; its a bass enhancement; tried using the bass turned up, and yes I can hear the difference. </p>

            To the poster that asserted that M3 bass sucks: I'll just say that I'm not in the position to know otherwise. I know no other things to compare too - except my basses/amps/synths: I might offend Hammond players, but MY favorite DEEP bass sounds come from my old Juno-6. And Roland bass pedals into any synth module (I use a XV-50/50 - what I use for my basses, guitars etc). Very nice all.</p>

            There is a bumper sticker 'nice people suck too'. yes we do. AND nice organs suck also. :-)</p>

            My M3 is beyond my dreams; suck or not - label me, not it; as the ignorant of Hammond sounds/knowledge. :-) teasing</p>

            There once was a note, pure and easy...: :-) </p>

            To those that wonder if 'sounds suck?' (tree falls in the forest?) ... I quote The Rubiyat! (Rubiayat of Omar Kkaymmy - NOT to be confused with the Ruby yaught of Oham Kayam (old Bullwinkle Cartoons; have them all!)</p>

            a<font face="Abadi MT Condensed Light"><font size="-1">nd,
            strange to tell, among that Earthen Lot</font></font>

            <font face="Abadi MT Condensed Light"><font size="-1">Some could
            articulate, while others not:</font></font>

            <font face="Abadi MT Condensed Light"><font size="-1">And suddenly
            one more impatient cried--</font></font>

            <font face="Abadi MT Condensed Light"><font size="-1">"Who is the
            Potter, pray, and who the Pot?"</font></font></p>

            are you the sound? :-)</p>

            Am I wrong for being happy with my M3? That question is mine. </p>

            Thanks ALL on the posts! Great people all!</p>

            no sound sucks. I stand by that statement. Peace all.</p>

            Malcolm</p>


            </p>

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



              I stand corrected, guys. Thanks for the information. It has been a very long time since I played one and, no disrepect to those M3 fans, I never used to like them that much, much preferred the M100. Maybe it was having that top C pedal that swung it! [:P]</P>


              Andy</P>
              It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

              New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

              Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
              Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
              Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
              Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...

                ... if, at the end of your ruminations, you should decide that the M3's bass pedal tones are in fact not to your taste: they can be improved. Somewhere around here (or perhaps on another list) there was a thread about adding some filtering into the bass circuit to smooth out the rather raw sound of the m3 pedals; as I recall it was just a matter of a couple components. The idea was to make the M3 pedals sound more like the L100/M100 pedals, which have a much smoother and fuller, more pleasant bass sound. (Not to mention that top C -- I agree with Andy, the C-B range on the M3 drove me to distraction!) cheers... TD
                Nobody loves me but my mother,
                And she could be jivin' too...

                --BB King

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



                  You will all note that the side switch didn't make it across to the M-100s and later spinets - That's because nobody used them!!. The original idea was to allow real organists who were used to playing the base part of a hymnwith both feet time to move to another note using the same foot. Remember that the M-1 was the first spinet organ ever, c.1947, and all ideas were untested.[;)]</P>


                  Lee</P>

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: M3 volume pedal 'sideways thingy' question ...



                    Hey Malcolm</P>
                    <P mce_keep="true"></P>


                    I didn't mean to come off as Rude in my earlier post. You are right, Hammonds are the best sound in the world. It's just that the bass coming out of the pedals on the M 3 has always made me cringe.I have also found the action a little disturbing. But they are better then nothing. To really improve as a player I found I had to move up to an A 100. If you keep your eyes open almost on a daily basis you can still find some incredible deals on the A 100's. Once you experiance an A 100or B3 I think you will understand where I am coming from. I only play jazz so the smaller hammonds just make that a frustrating experiance. You can't really walk the pedals( and oh that sound !)and the bottom manual doesn't have enough keys to play left hand bass. I suppose if you are into the maintenance end of Hammonds you could do some modifications but for and idot as myself that was not an option. Seriously it was easier to find an A 100 ! By the way I got mine for $ 200.00. The people that sold it to me just liked the way I played and basically wanted me to have it. So If you get the chance Buy one .You will love it.</P>


                    Take care and enjoy.</P>

                    Comment

                    Hello!

                    Collapse

                    Looks like you’re enjoying the discussion, but you haven’t signed up for an account yet.

                    Tired of scrolling through the same posts? When you create an account you’ll always come back to where you left off. With an account you can also post messages, be notified of new replies, join groups, send private messages to other members, and use likes to thank others. We can all work together to make this community great. ♥️

                    Sign Up

                    Working...
                    X