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  • Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



    so i took back the rt-20. 200 bucks wasn't sitting right. Bought the new behringer line-6 clone.</P>


    Pretty cool for 50 bucks. No, not as nice as the rt-20 (no brake, sound not as good, have to hold pedal down for 2 seconds to change slow to fast), but it works well enough for me. Maybe you too.</P>


    As I remember the line-6...this one seems to be about the same. But a lot cheaper.</P>


    I like it on guitar quite a lot.</P>


    It quiets the signal a bit though. Overdrive is more manageable than the rt-20...though i actually liked the rt-20 overdrive in some cases.</P>


    Overall, worth it to me for 50 bucks. </P>


    Figured someone out there may have been curious.</P>

  • #2
    Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



    does it have a bypass?</p>

    i don't know if i'd use it if it did though... slow or fast, no stopping for me :)</p>

    </p>

    can you post a demo on youtube? nobody has a demo of this pedal anywhere, and i don't know if i want it or not...
    </p>

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    • #3
      Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



      Just got one of these on Fleabay for 35$ including shipping. You can bypass the leslie sim by tapping the pedal quick, but there is a slight volume increase when you do that.Agreed that the OD is not great-too thin, but I have zener OD anyway. Otherwise, It works well and sounds pretty good with my Hammond M3 and keyboard amp. I have a real Leslie on my A100 but did not want to have to keep changing the connection kitwhen I wanted to use it with the M3. The sound of this rotary pedalis not exactly the same, of course, but itt's decent andhaving a footpedal is cool (the 2 second hold of speed switchingis a bit wierd but I'll get used to it)and it's onlyabout 1/20 the weight and price of the real thing! The 122 setting sounds good after adjustments, the L16 sounds, well, like a 1 rotor leslie but the 145 settingdoes not have enoughbottom end.</P>


      What is the difference in sound between a real 145 &amp; 122 anyway?</P>
      http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



      Yamaha DGX-300
      1959 Hammond M3
      1961 Hammond A101
      VB3 with M Audio Axiom
      1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
      1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
      2011 Neo Ventilator
      Casio WK-7500
      Yamaha P50m Module
      Roland VR-09
      Casio PX-5S

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      • #4
        Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



        Oh yeah,</p>

        in dealing with the preamp to preamp thing I had to pad down the signal from the M3 using the resistor set up that Freddy &amp; Pete showed me here: http://organforum.com/forums/thread/107027.aspx which cost about 1 $ for the parts.
        </p>
        http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



        Yamaha DGX-300
        1959 Hammond M3
        1961 Hammond A101
        VB3 with M Audio Axiom
        1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
        1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
        2011 Neo Ventilator
        Casio WK-7500
        Yamaha P50m Module
        Roland VR-09
        Casio PX-5S

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



          Bob,</P>


          The 145 and 122 have all the same parts except for the wiring in the 122 amplifier which accepts a balanced signal (two audio lines, split then recombined to eliminate hum) whereas the 145 amplifier uses an unbalanced signal. The 145, however, comes in a "lowboy" cabinet which is I think about 8 inches shorter than the 41" or so cab of the 122 and 147. The 142 is the same thing but with a 122 amplifier. The shorter cabinet supposedly cuts down on some bass response, but it sounds like the designers of your pedal got a bit overzealous in reproducing that...</P>


          Good to know about the pedal, though, for an affordable and decent sim.</P>
          1955 M3 (in good hands!)
          1962 A100
          1942 BC
          too many other keyboards...

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          • #6
            Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



            Thanks Red,</p>

            That's what I figured. </p>

            On VB3 there are settings for both 122 and 145(I think) and I could not hear a heck of a lot of difference on that program, if I remember correctly. I think I ran it through the Roland KB amp as well.
            </p>

            I found one good way to get more bass out of a Leslie 130 and M3: Add an A100 to it instead! I actually lined the 130's cabinet above the woofer with some lambs wool I pulled out of some other old speakers and that seemed to help as well.
            </p>
            http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



            Yamaha DGX-300
            1959 Hammond M3
            1961 Hammond A101
            VB3 with M Audio Axiom
            1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
            1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
            2011 Neo Ventilator
            Casio WK-7500
            Yamaha P50m Module
            Roland VR-09
            Casio PX-5S

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            • #7
              Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



              Hi Bob,</P>


              I was dealing with same issue, two organs, 11-pin Leslie, one kit. I started searching and there have been several 7830 kits running through e-bay as of late going from $20-50. I picked up a second 7830 (one came with my 130) NOS on the high end of that for the M162. </P>


              FYI,</P>


              J</P>
              1946 Hammond CV & 1953 JR20
              1950 Hammond C2 & 1962 PR40
              1974 Leslie 145
              1979 KORG CX-3 & BOSS RT-20
              KORG microStation, KORG Kaossilator 2, KORG Kaoss Pad 2

              Previous: 1958 M3, 1963 M3, 1965 M162, Leslie 130, Leslie 330, 1979 Lowrey L2

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              • #8
                Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



                Jeremy,</p>

                good to know...I thought they cost more than that! Thanks</p>

                Bob
                </p>
                http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                Yamaha DGX-300
                1959 Hammond M3
                1961 Hammond A101
                VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                2011 Neo Ventilator
                Casio WK-7500
                Yamaha P50m Module
                Roland VR-09
                Casio PX-5S

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (and my l-112)



                  Here are some recordings I did with the M3 and RM600 if anyone is interested in the unit. </p>

                  Not bad for a cheap sim pedal IMHO. </p>

                  She's the One is mostly in Slow setting with a couple of ramp up/downs to and from fast. SS is all Tremelo (fast). Both were done with </p>

                  Chorus /Small on
                  </p>

                  http://cid-5a9fd5304dfb2483.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/New%20folder/RM600
                  </p>
                  http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                  Yamaha DGX-300
                  1959 Hammond M3
                  1961 Hammond A101
                  VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                  1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                  1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                  2011 Neo Ventilator
                  Casio WK-7500
                  Yamaha P50m Module
                  Roland VR-09
                  Casio PX-5S

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    7830 kit for Bob



                    Hi Bob,</P>


                    Not to spam up the place but there is what I believe to be a 7830 kit on ee-bay right now.</P>


                    Search for... </P>
                    <H1 class=vi-is1-titleH1>HAMMOND ORGAN-LESLIE KIT FOR 11 PIN LESLIE</H1>
                    <P class=vi-is1-titleH1>A little less than a day left, $20 and no bids.</P>
                    <P class=vi-is1-titleH1>J</P>
                    <P class=vi-is1-titleH1>PS - This kit will work with two channel organstapping right off the internal speaker connectors. On my M100 I can send the main and reverb channels to the Leslie. I tried it but then disconnected the reverb, wasn't working for me.</P>
                    1946 Hammond CV & 1953 JR20
                    1950 Hammond C2 & 1962 PR40
                    1974 Leslie 145
                    1979 KORG CX-3 & BOSS RT-20
                    KORG microStation, KORG Kaossilator 2, KORG Kaoss Pad 2

                    Previous: 1958 M3, 1963 M3, 1965 M162, Leslie 130, Leslie 330, 1979 Lowrey L2

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                    • #11
                      Re: 7830 kit for Bob

                      Thanks Jeremy but the M3 will be moving to my parent's summer house, about an hour away,in a couple weeks (so I'll have a Hammond to play when I spend time down there and a walk out basement to get it out of easier).Iwon't know what kit toget until I can find a deal ona leslie for that organ. For nowthe rotary pedal will have to do!
                      http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                      Yamaha DGX-300
                      1959 Hammond M3
                      1961 Hammond A101
                      VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                      1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                      1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                      2011 Neo Ventilator
                      Casio WK-7500
                      Yamaha P50m Module
                      Roland VR-09
                      Casio PX-5S

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (further review)



                        Now thatI have had this pedal for awhile, and my real Leslie unitshave been on the road, I have been trying the RM600 at homein various configurations to try to get it as close as possible to that wondrous real Leslie sound I heard onstage. I have it connected to my A100 via a padded- down line out from the speakers tied into a stereo splitter.I tried it through my stereo with with both channels of the pedal output into itand it sounded pretty decent- slightly better using surround sound. Then I connected the stereo outputs of the pedal to two instrument amps, my Roland KB 350 on the floorwith the EQ set onemphasing bass and midson one side of the organ and my Epiphone Valve Jr on the other side (no tone control but it has an upper-mid sound. An amazingly loud little amp). Wow! It sounds amazing set up like that! Closest thing to a real Leslie I have heard in person, although still missing abit of that "third dimension" that a real Leslie has. I'm going to try the Epi above ear level tomorrow to see what that does.At least to my ears the RM600 does not significantly color the organs sound.</p>


                        The cool thing about the pedal is that you can tweak the ramp speeds, rotor speeds and rotor balance. The OD settingdid not sound bad through the stereo (have not tried it with the twin amps yet) but I was getting some annoying high frequency rattle on the top octave of the upper manual on some drawbar settings.</p>


                        Not bad at allfor a 35$ pedal for home/practice usebut I would not gig with this as forsome stupidreason when you bypass the leslie effect by stomping on the pedal oncethere is a significant volume increase. This isway too easy to do accidentally and in a live band situation you would have everyone in the bandglaring at you when that happens!</p>


                        There is also a 2 second pedal hold required to switch speeds which one can get used to.</p>


                        A local shop has the newNeo-ventilator which is supposed to be the best sim yet.... for a measly 499$. Add another 20$ for the power adaptor! </p>


                        I have read many very good reviews of the Boss RT-20 which costs 4x as much as the RM600but I would love to know if the basic Leslie effect sounds any better on the Bossthan the RM600. I gather the pedal functions are much better. Several significant bands/ keyboard players I have read aboutare now using the RT-20 on big venue gigs.</p>
                        http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                        Yamaha DGX-300
                        1959 Hammond M3
                        1961 Hammond A101
                        VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                        1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                        1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                        2011 Neo Ventilator
                        Casio WK-7500
                        Yamaha P50m Module
                        Roland VR-09
                        Casio PX-5S

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (further review)

                          Bob, Where did you stick it in the signal path? I would like to try some effects pedals on my T but am not sure where to go in at.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (further review)

                            I just connected two wires to the A100's speaker terminals, padded it down with some resistors, then connected toa 1/4 out cable. There is a thread on the forum here that shows how to connect the resistors- or you could just use a pot.
                            http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                            Yamaha DGX-300
                            1959 Hammond M3
                            1961 Hammond A101
                            VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                            1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                            1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                            2011 Neo Ventilator
                            Casio WK-7500
                            Yamaha P50m Module
                            Roland VR-09
                            Casio PX-5S

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Behringer RM600 Rotary Machine (further review)



                              Raising the higher range amp above ear level made a significant improvement in the quest for that Leslie like sound!!</p>

                              For those of you out there who cannot afford a real Leslie, I have found that this set up for a home studio with a sim pedal works pretty darn good to get close to the "real thing:"</p>

                              •if your pedal/rack unit has stereo inputs use a splitter to it from the organ's mono line out(or just use stereo outs on a digital keyboard).
                              </p>

                              • If it is a stereo output pedal, run one cable from the sim unit to one keyboard amp set up on the right side of the organ, run the other cable to another kb or guitar amp set up on the left side of the organ ( or vice versa).
                              </p>

                              •Keep your bass-ier amp on the floor below ear level with eq favoring the bass (this will sim the bottom rotor) and the other amp, preferably a small guitar tube amp with good mid-to high mid range EQ'ed, ABOVE ear level ( this will sim the top rotor).</p>

                              •Adjust the volume of each amp to your liking,
                              </p>

                              Notice how this is now EQ'ed and set up like a real 2 rotor Leslie? The separation of the two amps and having one placed high, one low gives you significantly more of the swirling, moving air illusion than having both at the same height. </p>

                              I did record it (with just a laptop &amp; internal mic) in this configuration but just like with a real Leslie, even with this twin amp set up, you really have to be there to experience that 3D feel.</p>

                              Is it possible at all with any (perhaps with professional, upper lower mic'ed)) equipment to capture or nearly capture the swirling effect that you hear and sense standing near a real Leslie for a recording and playback?</p>

                              </p>

                              http://cid-5a9fd5304dfb2483.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/RM600%20twin%20amps%20hi%20lo?uc=1&amp;nl=1
                              </p>

                              </p>

                              </p>

                              </p>
                              http://www.petty-larceny-band.com/



                              Yamaha DGX-300
                              1959 Hammond M3
                              1961 Hammond A101
                              VB3 with M Audio Axiom
                              1975 Leslie 130 upgraded with V21 top rotor, tube amp, wood lower rotor
                              1972 Leslie 825 upgraded with top rotor, etc.
                              2011 Neo Ventilator
                              Casio WK-7500
                              Yamaha P50m Module
                              Roland VR-09
                              Casio PX-5S

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