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    Hi!</P>


    Could someone please summarize the differences between the Hammond C2 and C3? I've been searching on the web but haven't turned up much...</P>


    Thanks!</P>

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    Re: Difference between C2 and C3?

    C3 has percussion unit giving 2nd and 3rd harmonic percussion. C2's can be retrofitted with a Trek II percussion unit.
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      Re: Difference between C2 and C3?



      http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/default.htm</P>


      This is pretty much"THE" list to look to for Hammond organ types and years produced. A very helpful list, leslie info as well...... Tim</P>
      1963 C-3 147 Leslie
      1972 X-77GT 2 - 77P Leslie
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        Re: Difference between C2 and C3?

        C2 is lighter.

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          Re: Difference between C2 and C3?



          C2 is lighter.</P>


          Yeah, the difference between "Jeeeeeeez" and "Jeeeeeeeeeez" when you shift one! [;)]</P>
          It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

          New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

          Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
          Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
          Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
          Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

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            Re: Difference between C2 and C3?



            C2 uses AO-10 preamp - it has different tubes (6SJ7, 6SN7) then C3's AO-29 (6AU6, 12BH7, 12AX7 of course I skipped the percussion circuit). The 6SN7 vs 12BH7 may sound differently - 6SN7 is a typical audio tube (simillar to 12AU7, very linear), 12BH7 (ECC99 from JJ) gives higher current - it was designed for deflection circuits in TVs. I haven't played the C2 but it may give a little bit "softer" tone then C3. Anyone can confirm this?
            </p>

            Simply - it is an older design and may sound differently.
            </p>

            BTW. Does anybody have the TREKII percussion unit schematic?</p>

            Jon</p>

            ps. buy C2 - it is cheaper and retrofit it with Trek.</p>

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              Re: Difference between C2 and C3?

              [quote user="JonC3"]


              buy C2 - it is cheaper and retrofit it with Trek.</P>


              [/quote]</P>


              An early C2 would not have smooth drawbars that most players prefer. If you use presets to change sounds "on the fly" this is not an issue but ratchet drawbars must be seated in a detent to make contact making drawbar changes while playing more difficult. C2 Hammonds built toward the end of the production run, 1953-1954, may have smooth drawbars.</P>


              H101</P>

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                Re: Difference between C2 and C3?

                I have a question: my M111 is from 1965/1966 and has the ratchet drawbars; why do you think they use these instead of the smooth ones? The ratchet ones look more expensive/well made.

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                  Re: Difference between C2 and C3?



                  [quote user="bubus"]I have a question: my M111 is from 1965/1966 and has the ratchet drawbars[/quote]</P>


                  I don't think so. They are detented but not ratcheted. They should make contact any any point of their travel. The ratchet type make a definate click, click, click when adjusted and would disconnect if not totally seated.</P>


                  I owned an M111 of your vintage and the bars where smooth. My current M101, a '61, has smooth drawbars. If your drawbars loose contact during adjustment they need the contacts cleaned. Find an early 2 series Hammond or older, play it,and you will feel the difference.</P>


                  H101</P>

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                    Re: Difference between C2 and C3?

                    [quote user="Hammond101"]

                    An early C2 would not have smooth drawbars that most players prefer. If you use presets to change sounds "on the fly" this is not an issue but ratchet drawbars must be seated in a detent to make contact making drawbar changes while playing more difficult. C2 Hammonds built toward the end of the production run, 1953-1954, may have smooth drawbars. </p>

                    H101</p>

                    [/quote]</p>

                    FWIW, I play a C2 every Sunday that was made in '54 and does have smooth drawbars. </p>

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