Help! How does it works with Leslie kits

[rhodeshammond]

I am looking for a Hammond M100 with Leslie 142 or 145 (or 122 / 147).
Now I just found a Hammond M100 with a Leslie 700.
Will one of the Leslies (142 / 145 / 122 / 147) fit?

I can't find on the internet which leslies have the same connection.
If anyone could tell me this, then I can make the puzzle myself by each M100.

And if a Leslie has never been connected to a Hammond M100, what then do you need?

If you guys will help with this, I will really appreciate it!

Thanks
Jaap

[tmccann]

Leslie 700 units have a 9-pin interface. The "regular" Leslies have a 6-pin interface. So if you buy the M100 with a 700 you will need to buy/make and install a 6-pin connector kit and a cable to work with the other Leslies you listed. 122 kits are different from 147 type kits, also.

There is a ton of information on this out there. Just google it and you will get more info than you need.

[rhodeshammond]

Thanks for your help!

[Goff]

I am looking for a Hammond M100 with Leslie 142 or 145 (or 122 / 147).
Now I just found a Hammond M100 with a Leslie 700.
Will one of the Leslies (142 / 145 / 122 / 147) fit?

I can't find on the internet which leslies have the same connection.
If anyone could tell me this, then I can make the puzzle myself by each M100.

And if a Leslie has never been connected to a Hammond M100, what then do you need?

If you guys will help with this, I will really appreciate it!

Thanks
Jaap

You will want the Leslie 6122 adapter kit to connect an M-100 to a Leslie 122/142 family



6122 adapter kit for M100

You can't connect a 147/145 Leslie family without the proper kit made for only the 147/145 Leslie.

So that will be the 6147 adapter kit.


6147 adapter kit for M100

Do take note that the above adapter kits are around USD$400 per kit.

The price of the adapter does not include the cost of installation. You may need the help of an experienced technician to install these devices.

You will want to choose your Leslie (122 or 147) before purchasing a kit. You can't normally connect two different Leslie amps (122 or 147) to the same organ without some custom wiring apart from the adapter kit. These kits are made for either 122 or 147 not BOTH.

[rhodeshammond]

Okay, this really helps a lot. I better find a M100 with already a kit installed for the 122 or the 147

[rhodeshammond]

One question Golf. I have found this PDF on the forum. https://www.fishorgans.com/leslie_ki...or_Hammond.pdf
When I look at this PDF it says I need to have the 8010 for the Leslie 122 or the 8444 for the 147.

I find it a bit confusing as you will understand. Can you help me out?

[Goff]

I have found this PDF on the forum. https://www.fishorgans.com/leslie_ki...or_Hammond.pdf
When I look at this PDF it says I need to have the 8010 for the Leslie 122 or the 8444 for the 147.

I find it a bit confusing as you will understand. Can you help me out?

As far as waiting for an M-100 with a Leslie kit installed, yes it would be better but not sure how prevalent to find one in the Netherlands.

Hammond organs in America were way ahead in combining a Leslie with the many model organs simply because both companies were American and American inventions.

This trend did not make it over to Europe as fast and as easily even today so finding common parts and adapters in Europe was/is not easy, then add shipping and taxes or a technician to help with the installation made things even more complicated.

In short owning a Hammond organ in Europe is akin to owning a Maserati in America.

This ended up forcing Hammond/Leslie fans in Europe to come up with their own stylized adapters which frankly end up being "iffy" and not fool proof IMO and to generally be "in the dark" so to speak about Hammond-Leslie combinations and parts and where to find them. Then add the problem of different AC for Europe of 220-240 volts and trying to satisfy the organ's power needs as well as the Leslie's.

Also factor in that with this lockdown-itis, ongoing shipping might start to get locked down too so one might want to bust a move and get with the getting for waiting for the perfect situation might be a thing of the past. Just saying.

It appears the 8444 series might be an older model kit for the M-100 to 122 etc.


According to Uncle Harvey's list he lists the 6122 as a "current kit" but Harvey also lists the 8444 to differentiate the two kits. So be guided by Harvey Olsen's charts that he blessed us with.

http://www.oocities.org/x77dude/kits.html

http://www.captain-foldback.com/Leslie_sub/pinouts.htm

Keep in mind that Hammond and Leslie were separate companies and Laurens hated the Leslie and constantly made work-arounds so it made it harder to adapt a Leslie to a Hammond. I'm just taking a wild guess but it could be the reason. Hence finding an 8444 kit might not be as easy as finding the 6122.

The parts I Iisted for the M-100 are the modern acceptable and available kits sold by knowledgeable dealer/technicians in America.

If you have problems I suggest you contact the stores below.

https://classichammonds.net/store/Le...2.html?ccUser=

https://www.b3guys.com/6122+Leslie+C.../product_id/38

https://www.bborgan.com/products/6122-connector-kit

https://ssl.tonewheelgeneral.com/build_page.php?item_no=6122-KIT



Goodluck!

[rhodeshammond]

Thanks Golf for your detailed reaction

[andyg]

You can simply make a suitable kit for connecting a 145/147 to an M100. Definitely not rocket science, but there are mains AC voltages involved so you do have to be careful.

Here are the basic schematics for making a 'standard' kit, sometimes called a 26-1 or a 6W. This particular variant is the 'universal' 7279. The most expensive parts would be proper 'half moon' leslie switches and the 6-pin amphenol socket that the leslie cable plugs into (though this could always be hard wired). Using proper half moons means you don't have to put up with the horrid little switches you see on the kits in the photos! But you can always use alternative switches. The main/ensemble/echo switch is not an expensive item and the tremolo/chorale switch is a straight on/off switch that has to be OK with mains AC voltage.

Lots of people have done this and you'll find many threads on the subject. And it works out a lot less expensive than buying a kit. Not so easy, but as I said, it's not that hard to do!

http://www.fishorgans.com/leslie_kits/007279.pdf

[rhodeshammond]

Thanks a lot Andyg !