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    i saw a hammond m111 online for free, but it was too far away. </p>

    </p>

    i guess i'll cut the story short and say that a friend's parent offered to get it for me (because he'll be going around that area anyway)</p>

    but he recently said that he saw somewhere that it weighs 500lbs. </p>

    </p>

    i saw somewhere that it weighed about 300lbs.</p>

    </p>

    he won't get it if it's 500, but will if it's 300.</p>

    so how much (with the pedals, w/o the bench) does it weigh?</p>

    (and if it hasn't been used in a few years, can it be expected to work? what problems can hammonds get from just sitting?)
    </p>

    while i'm at it, is there anywhere i can find new manufacture 6BA6 6AU6 and 6GW8 vacuum tubes (groove tubes has all of the rest of the tubes, those three are the only ones i can't find new for a replacement. i can find used and "new old stock," but as i've seen with motorcycle parts, new old stock can still be just as bad as used (perhaps a rusty part, but at least it's still in the box!))</p>

    </p>

    i know some people have been complaining about the forum being filled with m1XX posts, i hope i can start soon :) (or better yet, be too absorbed in a good organ to have any reason to use the computer)
    </p>

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    Re: hammond m111-need help



    I own an m 111, i picked it out of my uncle's forsaken semi trailer. Your friend's parent depending on age, and strength will need at least one more person to get it loaded.</p>

    Dimensions: 45" wide, 26"deep, and 45"high</p>

    total weight with bench, 268 lbs. (the bench shouldn't weigh more than twenty five pounds depending on what's inside. Without the bench, you're looking at a 250lb organ).
    </p>

    Caution! while moving it do not put undo stress on the legs, or the bass pedals. It would also be a good idea to place a piece of foam inside the reverb unit in order to keep it from vibrating during shipment.</p>

    If it hasn't been used in a few years, it might be a good idea to order some hammond tonewheel generator oil. You cannot substitute it for another oil. Do a google search, it should be easy to find someone who sells it. If the organ was mistreated, certain aspects of the organ might not work. Keys, drawbars, etcetera. Otherwise, just oil it, and let it soak in for a few days, and it should play right away. Mine sat in a trailer during two humid Illinois summers and winters, and it started up just fine.</p>

    Cross your fingers, and hope the tubes are in good working order. As a general rule tubes are fairly durable. I know for a fact the 6gw8 tube also known as ecl86 is no longer manufactured by anybody. So be ready to shell out 25 dollars for one of those, or 40 for a pair (you need to replace ecl86 tubes in pairs)</p>

    Hammond's were built with quality in mind, and should last several lifetimes. If there aren't any problems, you have yourself a good organ at an even better price. Cherish it, and have fun with it. Don't let children jam the keys or pedals, and it should be fine. Oil it once a year. And that's about it.
    </p>

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    • #3
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      Moving it should be no big deal. Watch those legs as stated above. Also make sure the Tone Wheel Generator is locked down. Take a look at this link:</P>


      http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/MovingAHammond</P>
      <P mce_keep="true"></P>


      Best of luck getting the M111. I own a 101 and have had a 111 in the past. Fine spinet, you will enjoy it.</P>


      H101</P>

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      • #4
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        I am also moving an M111 later this week, and I was just curious, if the generator was fixed as in other spinet models. (the L series, more specifically).  I am new to spinets, but have been a long time C-3 owner.  </p>

         </p>

        Also, does anyone have a link to what the different M cabinet styles are, and what number they are given.  I know the L series 111 is mahogany, but I'm curious as the what the different M's were.</p>

         </p>

        Thanks!</p>

        RM </p>

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        • #5
          Re: hammond m111-need help



          RM,</P>


          The generator is not fixed on the M100s and needs to be locked down for major transport. The Hammond manual says for moves within a home, room to room, this is not neccessary. It will be just like your C3 however all the tie downs are accessed from the rear under the generator shelf.</P>


          Here is a link to info on the M100 cabinet styles and finishes:</P>


          http://www.jackhollow.co.uk/hammond/...ist/index.html</P>


          I like the 101 and the 111 the most, just classy looking little buggers. Be careful of the front legs on these, they are not tied into the main cabinet as on an M3.</P>


          H101</P>

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          • #6
            Re: hammond m111-need help

            [quote user="mortson978"]

            I own an m 111, i picked it out of my uncle's forsaken semi trailer. Your friend's parent depending on age, and strength will need at least one more person to get it loaded.</p>

            Dimensions: 45" wide, 26"deep, and 45"high</p>

            total weight with bench, 268 lbs. (the bench shouldn't weigh more than twenty five pounds depending on what's inside. Without the bench, you're looking at a 250lb organ).
            </p>

            Caution! while moving it do not put undo stress on the legs, or the bass pedals. It would also be a good idea to place a piece of foam inside the reverb unit in order to keep it from vibrating during shipment.</p>

            If it hasn't been used in a few years, it might be a good idea to order some hammond tonewheel generator oil. You cannot substitute it for another oil. Do a google search, it should be easy to find someone who sells it. If the organ was mistreated, certain aspects of the organ might not work. Keys, drawbars, etcetera. Otherwise, just oil it, and let it soak in for a few days, and it should play right away. Mine sat in a trailer during two humid Illinois summers and winters, and it started up just fine.</p>

            Cross your fingers, and hope the tubes are in good working order. As a general rule tubes are fairly durable. I know for a fact the 6gw8 tube also known as ecl86 is no longer manufactured by anybody. So be ready to shell out 25 dollars for one of those, or 40 for a pair (you need to replace ecl86 tubes in pairs)</p>

            Hammond's were built with quality in mind, and should last several lifetimes. If there aren't any problems, you have yourself a good organ at an even better price. Cherish it, and have fun with it. Don't let children jam the keys or pedals, and it should be fine. Oil it once a year. And that's about it.
            </p>

            [/quote]thanks.</p>

            now the hardest thing is convincing my mom to let a tonewheel organ into our house... (although i think i might have just done it, because by chance i had decided that during 4th quarter in advanced physics [i'm in high school] i'm going to study vacuum tubes [it started out as just cathode ray and x ray tubes, but i think i could include some amplification tubes too]) free organ, the best physics project ever, and one really annoyed younger sister (my parent's like it when i play a whiter shade of pale on my yamaha keyboard, but it's just not the same as a tonewheel organ. no controls, dinky speakers, no rotary speaker/simulation, no vibrato chorus or tremolo... and no tubes... it sounds ok when i plug it into my computer and use garageband '05 for chorus and tremolo, but i still can't use a volume pedal, drawbars, bass pedals, another manual...)</p>

            and i have a good idea for this keyboard i have... stick it on top and use the electric piano setting... i see all these organs with electric pianos on top, and i think it would sound great to switch from electric piano to hammond in "what'd i say"
            </p>

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            • #7
              Re: hammond m111-need help



              Well, you will be in good company with the M100. WSOP was recorded on a M101. If she likes the song, that may sell her and close the deal. How does Mom feel about Leslies? That contraption is a real physics lesson!</P>


              I'm looking for a D model MiniMoog to put on top of the M101. I just can't find one I can afford!</P>

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              • #8
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                Im always glad to help. I just graduated high school myself last year. Congratulations. You are joining a very exclusive club. Organ playing is a dying art, and being the only person in your town who plays organ can be a very impressive skill. Let's face it, every hipster with 200 dollars tries to play guitar.</p>

                As for your keyboard, well nothing quite replaces the sound of an original hammond. A leslie is gonna cost you though. An origian leslie will likely be in the 1000 dollar range. I haven't gotten one yet. I'm somewhat frugal. I wanted to do a Jon Lord, and hook up a normal amplifier to my organ. If you've ever listened to any deep purple you might know what i mean. It sounds something like an electric guitar with a much stronger bass. Lord called the combination an un-tamable beast.</p>

                As for your mother, it shouldnt be hard for her to find a small niche, or corner for you to put the organ. It doesn't take up all that much space, and unlike a piano, it wont pull down the house. My granny had an ivers and pond upright which had to be moved, because one side of the room was becoming progressively lower over time.</p>

                As for putting your keyboard on top of the organ, im not so sure i like that idea. The M 111 comes with a beautiful walnut music stand on brass hinges. You can remove the stand altogether, but it seems like a shame to waste such a fine piece. I would rather hang my keyboard up on the wall above the music stand. That way i could use it like a theatre organ, and strike chimes. But, it's your organ, so do what you want with it.</p>

                Any way, have fun with your new organ.</p>

                Mortson</p>

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                • #9
                  Re: hammond m111-need help

                  [quote user="Hammond101"]

                  Well, you will be in good company with the M100. WSOP was recorded on a M101. If she likes the song, that may sell her and close the deal. How does Mom feel about Leslies? That contraption is a real physics lesson!</p>


                  I'm looking for a D model MiniMoog to put on top of the M101. I just can't find one I can afford!</p>

                  [/quote]she likes it but my dad is the one that likes organ music more... </p>

                  </p>

                  unfortunately, i can't seem to find a free leslie (and i wouldn't have room even if i was allowed to have it)</p>

                  i suppose i'd have to find some sort of simulation (eww...)</p>

                  and i thought WSOP used an m102? (doesn't matter really, same guts, different wood, same cabinet style)</p>

                  </p>

                  maybe when i'm in collage i can find a leslie (then i really won't have room... no matter, i have a friend that likes to bug me and wants to start a company with me, we're probably gonna be roommates... he hates organs for some reason [he's into socialist drop-d tuning heavy distortion -type bands... why he likes noise over tone i'll never know, but he likes the message... which i completely disagree with, btw] i think i need to work on the organ first, if i can't get that the leslie doesn't matter. come to think of it, i've really wanted a guitar leslie for some time now too [they're making a g37 amp and a g27 cabinet soon... supposed to be better than the old model 16 amps] hmm... )</p>

                  i'm lucky hammond oil isn't too expensive... sure, it's more expensive per gallon than gas, but what it provides you can get you farther with two teaspoons than two hundred gallons of gas... just put a little in once a year, and be sure to close the bottle and put it somewhere that it can be found...</p>

                  so i'd get a hammond for free</p>

                  + i would owe my friend and his dad (lifting, trying to lock down the tone generator with only a printed sheet that i would give them, lifting, decreased vehicle efficiency [but increased traction :)] </p>

                  + $6.50 &amp; shipping for tonewheel general hospital brand hammond oil...</p>

                  </p>

                  i may be getting a little ahead of myself though, i'm not sure if the person giving away the hammond even has it yet... of course, the ad could be taken down, but...</p>

                  i guess now it's just "wish me luck"</p>

                  and guess how much money i have? if you guessed around $10.00 [all that remains of two years of shoveling snow, cutting wood, mowing lawn, ect. to get a load of money which i spent on a wii and the computer i'm on right now... the computer that might have just found me a hammond...] sorry for typing so much gibberish, but i'm excited. i like the idea of being able to shape my own sound with the drawbars... the vibrato... chorus... volume pedal...</p>

                  tonewheels... i fell in love with the hammond sound before i even knew what it was (the radio used to be on all of the time, "oldies" stations [what makes them oldies and other old music classical? i wonder what my generation's music will be called when it gets old?])</p>

                  ... is there any 1/4" out? how did john lord use a guitar amp with his hammond?
                  </p>

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                  • #10
                    Re: hammond m111-need help



                    Lord had been using the hammond leslie combo for some time, and he wanted to try something new, and more powerful. Just watch this for the full story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJIgyJFIo0</p>

                    What kind of vehicle is this fella trying to move the organ with? If it's anything bigger than a Geo, the fuel economy shouldn't be affected very much.</p>

                    Speaking of leslies, i talked to a guy who is a hammond technician. He was good friends with Don Leslie. He told me; [Leslie once said: I hate those damned hammond organs, and i hate those leslie speakers too.] I subsequently remarked that those speakers paid for that silver lexus he was driving. Leslie just died in aught four if im not mistaken. He was more of a pipe organ enthusiast.</p>

                    By the way, what do you mean by quarter inch?</p>

                    Mortson</p>

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                    • #11
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                      Here is a link to help you build a line out (1/4") for your spinet.</P>


                      http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/LineOutFromASpinet</P>


                      There is a lot of info already on the board about line outs and using direct boxes and recording channels as line outs. Try searching "line out" I've built a few of the above and they work well.</P>

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                      • #12
                        Re: hammond m111-need help

                        [quote user="mortson978"]

                        Lord had been using the hammond leslie combo for some time, and he wanted to try something new, and more powerful. Just watch this for the full story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJIgyJFIo0</p>

                        What kind of vehicle is this fella trying to move the organ with? If it's anything bigger than a Geo, the fuel economy shouldn't be affected very much.</p>

                        Speaking of leslies, i talked to a guy who is a hammond technician. He was good friends with Don Leslie. He told me; [Leslie once said: I hate those damned hammond organs, and i hate those leslie speakers too.] I subsequently remarked that those speakers paid for that silver lexus he was driving. Leslie just died in aught four if im not mistaken. He was more of a pipe organ enthusiast.</p>

                        By the way, what do you mean by quarter inch?</p>

                        Mortson</p>[/quote]that's the standard electric guitar sized TRS plug.

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                        • #13
                          Re: hammond m111-need help

                          [quote user="mortson978"]


                          A leslie is gonna cost you though. An origian [sic] leslie will likely be in the 1000 dollar range. </P>


                          [/quote]</P>


                          Don't get discouraged about finding a Leslie. The $1000+ range is the exclusive realm of the coveted 122 and perhaps the 147; or for particularly minty specimens of a few other models. It's entirely possible to find other Leslies for much more reasonable amounts. They won't sound as good as a 122 or 147, but they'll sound WAY better than just the static internal speakers on the spinet.</P>


                          If you're on a budget, consider the following models: 25, 120, 125, 130. For an extremely tight budget you can also look at models like the 110, 114 or 116 (but not the 112). Then if you don't mind a guitar amp look, you might be able to pick up something like an 820 or 825 fairly reasonably... my first Leslie was an 820, paid $100 for it but it was DOA. If you're handy with electronics and soldering (and not just spectral analysis of vacuum tubes LOL [8-|]), you can get some real bargains on Leslies that need a little help. They really are worth the search, the money, and any time spent bringing them back to playing condition -- they make that much of a difference in the sound, night &amp; day. In any case good luck! If you have questions about any particular models, or if you find a bargain on one, don't hesitate to ask here. -cheers, TD</P>
                          Nobody loves me but my mother,
                          And she could be jivin' too...

                          --BB King

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                          • #14
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                            I would love a Leslie, but i have neither the space to house one, nor the patience to bring one back from the dead. I had some ancestors who played a calliope in parades. I'd like to play that too, but that isn't very likely to happen. The funny thing is, my spinet cost me 100 dollars, and a Leslie might cost five times as much. What would be really nice is to have a theatre organ. But i trail on.</p>

                            My friend's got a chrysler</p>

                            And I've got a dodge.</p>

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                            • #15
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                              Glad to see you're hip to JW too [D]... but I'm not sure my point got through. Not all leslies are the size of the mammoth 147s and 31Hs. A Leslie 110 is 25" x 18" x 29" ... so if you have room for a 2-drawer file cabinet or a "dorm" fridge, you have room fora Leslie. And it should be possible to find a 110 or the like for way less than $500. Even on Ebay little leslies like it go for &lt; $200; and if you keep a sharp eye out, you should be able to pick one up for free. But now I'm trailing on too...</P>


                              encouragingly (is that even a word?),</P>


                              TD</P>
                              <P mce_keep="true"></P>


                              "The smoker you drink, the player you get"</P>
                              Nobody loves me but my mother,
                              And she could be jivin' too...

                              --BB King

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