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    I've put this in Home Organs even though mine is a Hammond as a I figure this might be of more general interest.

    Over the last few weeks, I've been working on adding a digital sheet music display to my organ. The display itself is a 21" HP monitor I picked up used for $40. It is mounted in place of the music rack on my (home made) organ-top synthesizer. The software is still under development (I want to add the ability to add annotations), and is running on a Raspberry Pi 3.

    Music display on top of organ and synth.

    Close-up of music display.

    One thing still missing is a convenient way to turn the page. I've got a small keyboard on order that should exactly fit on the organ's lower-left cheek block, but I'd like to add either some foot switches, or some sort of gesture controller, to make it easier. Unfortunately, the screen is not a touch screen, so tapping won't work.

    Once the software's done, I plan to place it on GitHub.
    Stefan Vorkoetter: http://www.stefanv.com

    1962 Hammond M-111 with Improved Vibrato, Internal Rotary Speaker, Drum Machine,
    Window Seat Tone Cabinets, Completely Rebuilt Amplifier, and Recapped Tone Generator.
    1978 PAiA 1550 Stringz'n'Thingz with many enhancements.
    2017 Raspberry Pi organ-top synthesizer.

  • #2
    A very interesting project to tackle. I'll be interested to see how far you go with it.

    Allen Organ Company has been offering a "Page Turn Kit" on their consoles since at least 2014. And there was a previous thread on the Forum about this subject in 2016.

    https://organforum.com/forums/forum/...e-turn-feature

    One of the products mentioned there, the Air Turn ATR-104 unit, is for Mac or Windows PCs and could be hard-wired to one or two toe studs for page turns.

    https://www.airturn.com/products/air...04-page-turner

    Obviously using a PC is more hardware than your intended solution but given the logical appeal of such a device I suspect there may be others out there who have found ways to make this product work with tablets of some kind.
    Last edited by AllenAnalog; 03-17-2019, 09:21 AM.
    Larry is my name; Allen is an organ brand name.

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    • #3
      Stefanv, what a great concept. Clearly you have more technical ability than I do.

      I have an idea that I wonder if anyone has thought of. I would like software that would track where you are in the piece (using MIDI) and move the score as you are playing. This approach would not require any additional intervention by the performer. There would need to be a way to handle repeated sections and also allow for the player to omit a repeat if they wanted to. However, if a GPS can adapt its route based on the route a driver takes, it should be possible for a music program to do the same.
      Bill

      My home organ: Content M5800

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      • AllenAnalog
        AllenAnalog commented
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        Bill, did you see the note about the Apple app in the Forum post I linked above? Not MIDI based but "listening" based.

      • voet
        voet commented
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        Thank you for alerting me to it, AllenAnalog. It looks like it runs on an Apple IPad. One advantage of this product is that it can "read" a PDF. This really opens up the possibilities greatly. I do not own any Apple products, so I would have to invest in an IPad if I wanted to use this. I would really like to try it before making that investment.

    • #4
      I'm interested in what you are doing with the Raspberry Pi. A wood frame/trim around the monitor would make it even more convincing.

      I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that is it acting as a browser to a network file share where you keep your music?

      Are you just displaying images, or PDF? or are you using something like MUSESCORE to to display your music?
      Eric Mack
      www.ThisOld340.com
      Rodgers 340 S/N 34341
      Los Angeles, CA

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      • #5
        At the moment, the music is all kept locally on the Pi (there's plenty of space on the 32GB microSD card), but it could be anywhere. The program accepts both PDFs and images (PNG, TIFF, JPEG, GIF, and BMP), and merely finds all such files in the the specified directory(s) and presents an alphabetical list of all the titles. The name of the file is expected to be the title (e.g. "Let It Be.pdf"), and in the case of image files, a series of numbered files is assumed to be multiple pages comprising one score (e.g. "Let It Be-1.png", "Let It Be-2.png", ...). For speed reasons, each score is pre-processed into cropped screen-sized images in a hidden subdirectory the first time it is opened, and those are kept around so that subsequently opening the same score is fast unless you've made changes to the original source (e.g. replaced a scan with a better one).
        Stefan Vorkoetter: http://www.stefanv.com

        1962 Hammond M-111 with Improved Vibrato, Internal Rotary Speaker, Drum Machine,
        Window Seat Tone Cabinets, Completely Rebuilt Amplifier, and Recapped Tone Generator.
        1978 PAiA 1550 Stringz'n'Thingz with many enhancements.
        2017 Raspberry Pi organ-top synthesizer.

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        • #6
          Stephan, I have an HP 21" monitor similar to yours, but it has a touch screen. I think mine is not capacitance based but uses a ring of IR sensors in the glass. In any case, I would imagine you can pick these up inexpensively. This would allow you to easily do a swipe right/left. If not, something like an Airturn could work for you or some other switch sensor. I know there is even a gesture sensor available for Arduino. I will enjoy following this project. Do post if you plan to share code.
          Eric Mack
          www.ThisOld340.com
          Rodgers 340 S/N 34341
          Los Angeles, CA

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          • #7
            Originally posted by voet View Post
            Stefanv, what a great concept. Clearly you have more technical ability than I do.

            I have an idea that I wonder if anyone has thought of. I would like software that would track where you are in the piece (using MIDI) and move the score as you are playing. This approach would not require any additional intervention by the performer. There would need to be a way to handle repeated sections and also allow for the player to omit a repeat if they wanted to. However, if a GPS can adapt its route based on the route a driver takes, it should be possible for a music program to do the same.
            OrganMuse has been doing that for years. But pricey.

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            • voet
              voet commented
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              Thanks for the info, Tucsondave. I went to their website, but they do not list pricing. It certainly has a lot of functionality.

            • stefanv
              stefanv commented
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              "OrganMuse system pricing is coming soon!" So they said. In 2012. Abandonware?

          • #8
            It's not home-brew, and not having such skills (but I admire that you can do that), but here's a 24" ViewSonic touch screen sitting in place of the (easily removed) music rack on my W5000C. I'm just getting started at digitizing my sheet music, which is mostly 70's vintage. I have a Gator carrying case for the monitor and can also use it with my piano, reed organ (!), and Conn theater organ. The '67 Allen is going to require some reinforcement of the music deck, as the monitor weighs 15.5 lbs. That's PDF-Xchange Editor running on my ThinkPad. I have a smaller ThinkPad (13" Yoga education version) that it will also work with, but the bigger one can run Hauptwerk. For the time being, I'm using the HP software that came with an inexpensive DeskJet All-in-One for scanning - it can do a maximum of 200 PPI for multi-page documents, but the file sizes when combined can still easily be hundreds of megabytes.

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            -- I'm Lamar -- 1967 Allen TC-4 Project (forum thread)
            -- 1899 Kimball Parlor Organ (forum thread)
            -- 1999 Rodgers W5000C and Hauptwerk - spare W5000C for spares
            -- Conn 643 Theater - Hammond M3 and E-112 - Roland RD300nx stage piano
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            • #9
              Stefan, this may be of interest if you have need to have the switches be wireless (not sure that has as much application with an organ) Bluetooth Foot switch Interfacing
              Eric Mack
              www.ThisOld340.com
              Rodgers 340 S/N 34341
              Los Angeles, CA

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              • #10
                Originally posted by Eric Mack View Post
                I'm interested in what you are doing with the Raspberry Pi. A wood frame/trim around the monitor would make it even more convincing.
                I seem to remember a project from the 1970s or 1980s where someone made a primitive touch-screen by putting IR LEDs and photodetectors on opposite sides of a wooden frame. Your finger would block two of the beams and a microprocessor switching the LEDs and scanning the photodetectors could figure out where your finger was. I think it was in Byte magazine, but not sure. A simplified version of this would work nicely.

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                • #11
                  Originally posted by johnbeetem View Post

                  I seem to remember a project from the 1970s or 1980s where someone made a primitive touch-screen by putting IR LEDs and photodetectors on opposite sides of a wooden frame. Your finger would block two of the beams and a microprocessor switching the LEDs and scanning the photodetectors could figure out where your finger was. I think it was in Byte magazine, but not sure. A simplified version of this would work nicely.
                  I remember that as well, and such frames, with much higher resolution, are actually available for purchase (although a bit pricey for my liking). But yeah, a simplified version that divides the screen into two touch sensitive areas would be sufficient for this case.
                  Stefan Vorkoetter: http://www.stefanv.com

                  1962 Hammond M-111 with Improved Vibrato, Internal Rotary Speaker, Drum Machine,
                  Window Seat Tone Cabinets, Completely Rebuilt Amplifier, and Recapped Tone Generator.
                  1978 PAiA 1550 Stringz'n'Thingz with many enhancements.
                  2017 Raspberry Pi organ-top synthesizer.

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                  • #12
                    I think what I'm going to do for now is simply reserve two of the buttons on the synthesizer control panel (the synth runs on its own Raspberry Pi) as page turn buttons, and forward these to the music display Pi (probably via wires). The buttons are pretty easy to reach and press (far easier than turning paper pages).
                    Stefan Vorkoetter: http://www.stefanv.com

                    1962 Hammond M-111 with Improved Vibrato, Internal Rotary Speaker, Drum Machine,
                    Window Seat Tone Cabinets, Completely Rebuilt Amplifier, and Recapped Tone Generator.
                    1978 PAiA 1550 Stringz'n'Thingz with many enhancements.
                    2017 Raspberry Pi organ-top synthesizer.

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                    • #13
                      While not as elegant, I use Foxit PDF Reader in view mode and have the PC keyboard leaning against the music rest. Easy enough to flip pages quickly enough. I evaluated MusicReader but found Foxit served my purposes even better.

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