T.T.T. V3 organ in a box unit

[ken horton]

This is a very long shot but I wondered if anyone is using one of these, great sounds, but originally designed just for Yamaha keyboards, I managed to get one working ( with a lot of help from the makers with a Ringway 1000e) I changed to a Roland AT 900c and of course the unit will no longer work , it has different midi settings, the suppliers are looking into it but I think it is new territory even for them, meanwhile they have updated it for me to the latest specs but I wondered if anyone has one of these units ( a pair of units actually ) and is using them with a Roland organ, mine has midi setttings as the seller/manufacturer specifies for a Roland. but I wanted to find someone who would tell me what midi channel setting they are using as a check. many thanks if someone has a unit and can supply the answer. Ken

[andyg]

Do you know what channels the 'box' receives its MIDI signals on? Should be in the blurb somewhere. If so, there's no problem getting the AT900 to match. But the MIDI settings are not global 'set and forget' on the Roland. Instead, they are set into the presets as you save them. My default (and most 'boxes' and virtual organs) are 1-upper, 2-lower, 3-pedal and 4-solo.

Just make sure you haven't made the most common MIDI error (and we have ALL done it!) of plugging the MIDI lead into the wrong socket! As always, MIDI Out from the organ goes to MIDI In on the box, and the audio L+R go to the auxiliary inputs on the organ. And you'll need to make sure that the expression pedal is sending its CC11 controller messages on the channel that the box is expecting them, or you won't have any control over the box's expression and dynamics.

The only issue with Roland is that it doesn't send much in the way of MIDI messages to change sounds. At best, you'll be able to assign any preset combinations in the box to the 12 presets on the organ. At worst, you'll be registering the box manually as you play.

[ken horton]

Thanks andyg that confirms what I suspected, the suppliers did in fact give me some help but not the detail you have supplied on the Roland and in particular the expression pedal. And yes I have already fallen into the trap of using the wrong sockets! I also was in a mess with the channel settings for some time because whoever had used the organ previously had left it O K I think, but I went and bought a commercial U S B Roland registration stick and they had entirely different midi settings for transmtting ! I have now got things sorted and have in fact saved one registration to memory with the correct midi setting s and the voices all muted so if I put in another USB and it alters things I can re set quickly.

But in passing the T T T unit has an encoder to change the registrations and also to alter the voice settings in almost every way, each registration ( they call scenes) for is divided into 8 "M" sections and each section has four pages with 8 features on each page so there are a lot of things to adjust if you wish, but in itself a very steep learning curve even just to find which page covers what you are wanting to adjust. Ken.

[andyg]

That's good news and you've done the same as me. I have a preset bank called 'Miditzer' (one of the virtual organs I can use) and the channelling on Preset #1 matches what Miditzer, Hauptwerk, B-4 and VB-3 expect to find. I can then build up registrations from that one initial preset that either use the virtual organ alone or in combination with the Roland's voices (you need very low audio latency for that last trick to work well!)

[Karl Peacock]

Hi Ken, I use the V3 with a Roland at80sl. I had many issues at the beginning connecting to the Rolan. I remember having to alter the midi channels on my Roland & I then saved that patch to disk and then load it up when wanting to use V3.
I 'd previously had a Yamaha el900 organ, so I had to send back the midi processor box to get it reconfigured otherwise the expression pedal for example wouldn't work with the V3 & possibly other functions if I remember rightly.
Incidentally, I phoned T.T.T. up recently as I couldn't get the 'Big Band' registration voices to 'pitch bend' and thought it maybe due to something I'd need to alter on the V3 but it wasn't. After looking at the manual, it seems the AT80SL doesn't send midi messages for pitch bend which is a pain. I don't know if this is the same for the at800/900 models. Maybe Andy could confirm on this.

[andyg]

I'd have to look at the MIDI implementation chart in the manual. It's in the organ bench and the cat has settled there for the night! I'll have a look in the morning.

[Zenithporsche]

Hi All

I have a Yamaha Stagea ELC-02 that I am trying to get the V3 to work on. It's been back to Reg who is being so helpful, but has got stumped by this one. Originally the swell pedal wouldn't work with the V3. Now after changing the events processor, everything works with the volume control except on the upper manual, which always plays at full volume. The lower manual and pedals are working fine with the volume control. Any ideas please?

Also, would this be easy to set up on my Bohm sinfonia 500?

Thanks

Mark

[gregp]

Assuming the V3 midi is now functioning correctly, it sounds like the expression data for the UM is not being transmitted from the Yamaha and therefore not recognised by the module. Although the expression pedal sends the data for uppper, lower and bass (all parts) on one channel, is it possible to disable the midi information for expression from being sent from a particular manual on the Yamaha. Is there a filter control in the midi menu?
Seems strange that the expression pedal is not sending the data for all three parts. Maybe the problem is still with the V3 not processing/receiving the data.
If you can't solve the problem on the Yamaha, it might well be worth setting it up on the Bohm. As long as upper, lower, bass and expression are set to the same channels on the organ and the V3, it should work. If the same thing happens, at least it will confirm the issue is still with the V3. I know nothing about the midi functionality of Bohm organs, other than it is quite sophisticated, but I'm sure there must be somebody on here who can help, should you encounter any problems.

[Zenithporsche]

Thanks Greg,

I will have a look later, not sure about the filter on the Yamaha as when you go into the midi menu part it seems that you can just change the channels that each part operates on.

i will try with the Bohm, because as you say if it happens there as well, it has to be the V3 that's not right

Thanks again

Mark

[abacus]

The Bohm Midi system is the best of any organ out there (Even puts the Wersi to shame) so you can set it up how you want. (Set it up right and the TTT will operate from the organ like it was built in)

Have fun

Bill

[Zenithporsche]

Hi All

Have set it all up and same thing happens. If you have the channels set standard, the lower and pedals work fine with the swell pedal, but the upper manual plays at full volume. If you change the swell pedal channel from 16 to 1 (same as the upper manual), then the swell pedal works with the upper manual, but obviously won't work with the lower manual and pedals. I think there is a problem with the processor.

Out of interest, does anybody now step by step how I would go about setting it up on the Bohm 500. This is a non sempra organ. Am concerned at messing with the Bohm too much as worry that I will mess up my other settings if not very careful.

Look forward to your ideas

Mark

[gregp]

Setting it up on the Bohm has at least proved that the fault is with the V3. It does seem strange that this problem hasn't occured before with other users, unless it is just a problem with the software in your particular unit. Having said that, I'm sure some users are probably connecting to an older midi organ where the aux input is controlled directly by the expression pedal and doesn't require midi data.

[Claus]

Hi Mark!
We had a few Bohm customers running the V3 theatre module directly inside the organ, as a integrated soundboard (there were adapter boards available to add them as a soundboard like the organ's own Amadeus boards). I'm not sure, but I think the sounds on that board are the same as in the V3 desktop module? I made the sound presets for them, so you can use the sounds in the same way on the organ as the internal sounds and combine both nearly free. The only thing to do is maybe to adapt the MIDI routing in the sound presets to your configuration. Think you have connected the V3 on the standard MIDI out of the organ? You'll get an email for further details.
BTW: for Hauptwerk control you could use the MIDI out parts on each one of the manuals or the pedal. There is one MIDI Out part on each keyboard in the Part Editor. On Upper it's Part7 for example. If these parts are active (not muted on F1 button inside the Part editor), they are directly sending on MIDI out 1.

regards,
Claus

[Zenithporsche]

Thanks Claus. Look forward to hearing from you on email