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  • Tutti and Zimbel?

    If you have an Organ with a TUTTI and Zimbel button, what are these functions for?

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    Tutti is Italian and is a musical term for "all". Usually the tutti piston will bring on all of the ranks (not necessarily the celestes) and couplers. It's a quick way to get a FFFF!</P>


    I'd guess Zimbel on a piston would be for the zimbelstern... if there's one connected. What happens when you push the piston? On my organ I have a thumb piston and a toe stud for them.</P>


    Anyone have any different thoughts?</P>

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    • #3
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      I can't figure out what Zimbel does. It doesn't change the sound, nor does it change any of the piston presets. [:P]</p>

      Hmmm.. [:^)]</p>

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      • #4
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        Is your organ a digital (electronic) or pipe? There may be provisions for a zimblestern, such as a 120v outlet or other wiring inside the console, orchamber if you're talking a church installation. A zimblestern might not be present, just the console prepared for one. You can buy one and just plug it in with little trouble.</P>

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        • #5
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          It's Analog but I haven't looked inside

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            Since there is a Mixture stop called a Zimbel, is it possible that it was intended to draw and undraw the individual stops as an ensemble to imitate that Mixture? It would presumably only affect the particular stops of the composite and would not have any effect on the rest of the registration. (One would hope that if any of the stops that made up the Zimbel surrogate were already drawn they would be left drawn when the Zimbel was removed.) Of course, if that were the intent it does not explain why there is no action discernable.</P>


            I don't know much about the subject, but the thought occurred to me.</P>


            David</P>

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            • #7
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              [quote user="davidecasteel"]


              Since there is a Mixture stop called a Zimbel, is it possible that it was intended to draw and undraw the individual stops as an ensemble to imitate that Mixture?[/quote]</P>


              I think not - a Zimbel mixture is very high-pitched, and would no doubt be secondary to the main mixture; it doesn't make sense to have an entire thumb piston toput it off and on.</P>


              No doubt it is for a Zimbelstern. I've seen many organs with thumb pistons and/or toe pistons just for that stop.</P>

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                [quote user="soubasse32"][quote user="davidecasteel"]


                Since there is a Mixture stop called a Zimbel, is it possible that it was intended to draw and undraw the individual stops as an ensemble to imitate that Mixture?[/quote]</p>


                I think not - a Zimbel mixture is very high-pitched, and would no doubt be secondary to the main mixture; it doesn't make sense to have an entire thumb piston toput it off and on.</p>


                No doubt it is for a Zimbelstern. I've seen many organs with thumb pistons and/or toe pistons just for that stop.</p>

                [/quote]</p>

                Sound like to me the Zimbelsten is simply not working.</p>

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                • #9
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                  Here's what I've noticed: Zimbel isn't in the set for different stops but rather a thumb piston-white round knob- beneath the 'Great' console for easy stop changing.
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                  My guess is that this feature is simply not working.</p>

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                  • #10
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                    What's the brand and model of organ? Most Rodgers organs built since about 1980 have a piston labeled "Zimbel" that will turn on and off the Zimbelstern, if there is one installed, as someone mentioned above. If this is a Rodgers organ and the Zimbel pistondoesn't do anything, there is no zimbelstern attached or else it is not functioning.</P>


                    If you're unfamiliar with this device, it's a set of little high-pitchedbells that begin to ring in a sort of random sequence when this piston is activated. The device is a wooden boxabout a foot square with maybe 10 or 12 little bells suspended on stalks and a striker driven by a motor that turns around and plays the bells. This is not a "keyed" stop, so the sound begins when the piston is pressed and continues until you press the piston again, regardless of whether or not you have any keys down. Playing keys will not affect the pitches of the bells.</P>


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                    • #11
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                      Rodgers 715.

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                      • #12
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                        The model number 715 does not appear in my Rodgers tech list. Could it be a 751?</P>


                        Whatever the model number, since it's a Rodgers the mystery is solved. Either no zimbelstern is installed or else it is not working correctly.</P>


                        It's a wonderful little effect. You might check the organ chambers to see if there is a zimbelstern. Or take off the organ back and see if there is a cable plugged into the zimbelstern socket.</P>


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                          This is the younger brother to the Rodgers 750B if that helps any ,which includes toe pistons (what I don't have), a few more stops, and is digital rather than analog. Both models feature external speakers. . This organ features a
                          (Crescendo and Express- pedal) rather than volume pedals for the Great and Swell.. It also has features both a Great &amp; Swell.</p>


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