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    Adjustable key action?



    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Folks,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Have there ever been or are there organs/keyboards made and sold with adjustable key action? I am not talking about adjustable velocity sensitivity. Let’s say from the weighted piano action right down to the light touch of the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Conn</st1:State></st1:place> organs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wouldn’t it be better to keep a controller keyboard for life and just switch modules in line with mood, repertoire and progress? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let me know what you think.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Skippy</SPAN>
    AS FAR AS ORGANS ARE CONCERNED - I'M A GOOD MECHANIC AND A HOPELESS DRIVER.
    Hammond C3 & M102 & Elegante & PR40. Yamaha D85 & D65 & FS30 & MC600 & GX76. Thomas Celebrity Royale 871, Kawai T5 & E550, Conn 643 & 632 & 552.Lowrey H25R2. Elka EP12. Orla D6180, Wurlitzer 4430 & Omni 7000 & 555. Roland D70 & RA90 . Ferrofish B4000+. Leslie 145 & 705 & 710 & 720
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    Re: Adjustable key action?

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    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Have there ever been or are there organs/keyboards made and sold with adjustable key action? </SPAN></P>


    <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Skippy</SPAN>[/quote]</P>


    Not as far as I'm aware, Skippy.</P>


    The modular idea was tried, by Thomas amongst others. Never really caught on over here and people went for the first spec they wanted, kept the organ, then traded up as usual.</P>


    As for the controller/module system. I can do that now, but to really get what I want means that I have to carry on with my 'virtual' organ project. Sampling the sounds I need/want when I can and then (eventually) editing them and putting them into Kontakt 2 or Kompakt for playback.</P>


    Andy</P>
    It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

    New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

    Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
    Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
    Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
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      Re: Adjustable key action?

      [quote user="andyg"][quote user="skippy"]


      <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Have there ever been or are there organs/keyboards made and sold with adjustable key action? </SPAN></P>


      <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Skippy</SPAN>[/quote]</P>


      Not as far as I'm aware, Skippy.</P>


      Andy</P>


      [/quote]</P>


      Thanks Andy,</P>


      Looking at what useless features were provided on someorgans in the past -just for the sake of getting sales; this feature would have made some sense. The key return springs can be easily mounted on an adjustable bar. Of course, recreating piano action is not as simple as this.</P>


      Do youknow ifthis option has ever been discussed by organdesigners?</P>


      Have a musical day,</P>


      Skippy</P>
      AS FAR AS ORGANS ARE CONCERNED - I'M A GOOD MECHANIC AND A HOPELESS DRIVER.
      Hammond C3 & M102 & Elegante & PR40. Yamaha D85 & D65 & FS30 & MC600 & GX76. Thomas Celebrity Royale 871, Kawai T5 & E550, Conn 643 & 632 & 552.Lowrey H25R2. Elka EP12. Orla D6180, Wurlitzer 4430 & Omni 7000 & 555. Roland D70 & RA90 . Ferrofish B4000+. Leslie 145 & 705 & 710 & 720

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        Re: Adjustable key action?

        Well, as far as that goes, Allen had that feature on nearly every organ they made. It's seems to me that the church organ companies in general, usually provided this kind of customization ability.

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          Re: Adjustable key action? + A little off topic



          As far as I know (which isn't a lot) many of the electronic pianos and clavinovas are adjustable as to key pressure, from heavy to light. Whether they have velocity or midi for that matter is another issue. Let me go a little off topic, please:</P>


          Really the keyboard and midi interface is the simplest part. The stoptab or drawknob control and cabinet are the big issues. Plus the system to make it all work together. </P>


          And there is little uniformity. For instance many stoptab rails are midi coded according to location: the left end would be midi #1 and so on. Allen, on the other hand encodes according to function so for instance Diapason 8 is always coded the same way regardless of location or model. This means a sequencer can control the stoptabs and swell control as well as play the instrument on any late model Allen organ. It doesn't have to know where the stoptab is located. That scheme introduces quite a bit of additional complexity to the midi coding and causeslatency problems for some. It also causes problems for some like me that want to decode the data to control pipe or haupwerk ranks.</P>


          The springs on my Allen are adjustable so I guess you could go through and adjust the touch but to make it like a tracker would require a special keyboard.</P>


          Al [:)]</P>


          A &amp; W (Allen &amp; Whistles)</P>

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            Re: Adjustable key action? + A little off topic



            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks Guys,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So it looks like some electronic church organs provide this feature. It does surprise me that some of the premium console home organsdon't have it. I have about9 keyboard instruments (Lowrey, Thomas, <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on">Hammond</st1:City>, Casio, 2xYamaha, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Farfisa</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Conn</st1:State></st1:place> andRoland)in my collection. All differ in their key action.The Hammond Elegante ismy favourite.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My vision for the future is that when you go out shopping to equip yourself for the keyboard experience you firstly select and purchase the KEYBOARD. Just a controller keyboard that suits your needs as far as key action, programmability and button function allocation is concerned. This keyboard could be your companion for most of your life. Who knows, they may just be touch keys with no action at all. Hard to believe that this would be playable. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andthen you pick the ARRANGERS, EXPANDERS, SOUND MODULES or whatever their name is or was to connect to it. They may already be part of a package coming with your home entertainment computer. Select the analog ordigital organ of your choiceand arrange and layeryour registration via a horseshoe surround touch screen in line with the original stop layout. Then let a surround soundsystem take care of the representation by choosing Leslie’s and venues. Of course all data/signal transfer would be wireless.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, all this is possible right now. Will it ever happen? I don’t think so. Just not enough customers tomake it viable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let me know what you think,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>


            <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Skippy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
            <P mce_keep="true"></P>
            AS FAR AS ORGANS ARE CONCERNED - I'M A GOOD MECHANIC AND A HOPELESS DRIVER.
            Hammond C3 & M102 & Elegante & PR40. Yamaha D85 & D65 & FS30 & MC600 & GX76. Thomas Celebrity Royale 871, Kawai T5 & E550, Conn 643 & 632 & 552.Lowrey H25R2. Elka EP12. Orla D6180, Wurlitzer 4430 & Omni 7000 & 555. Roland D70 & RA90 . Ferrofish B4000+. Leslie 145 & 705 & 710 & 720

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              Re: Adjustable key action? + A little off topic

              [quote user="skippy"]


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Who knows, they may just be touch keys with no action at all. Hard to believe that this would be playable.</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[/quote]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Like the roll-up, rubber keyboards, you mean? Fun if you want to do a little composing with your laptop while on the train, but not playable in the real sense. [:S]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[quote user="skippy"] </SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Select the analog ordigital organ of your choiceand arrange and layeryour registration via a horseshoe surround touch screen in line with the original stop layout. Then let a surround soundsystem take care of the representation by choosing Leslie’s and venues. </SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[/quote]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Well, B4 or any of the Hammond clones for now and Miditzer or Hauptwerk for the pipes. Then you could always get tricky and record a Miditzer tibia sound without trem to audio and run it through the B4 leslie sim. The mind boggles slightly at what you could do. [^o)]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[quote user="skippy"] </SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, all this is possible right now. Will it ever happen? I don’t think so. Just not enough customers tomake it viable.</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">[/quote]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sadly, not enough interest in the electronic organ, but with enthusiasts like us, anything's possible. Only trouble is I don't get paid for being enthusiastic about it, otherwise I'd devote more time to the idea. [:(]</SPAN></P>


              <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andy</SPAN></P>
              It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

              New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

              Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
              Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
              Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
              Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

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                Re: Adjustable key action? + A little off topic



                [quote user="andyg"]<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Only trouble is I don't get paid for being enthusiastic about it, otherwise I'd devote more time to the idea. [:(] </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andy</SPAN>[/quote]</P>


                If I win the 15Mill in Lotto I will sponsor you. Looks like it will never get done.</P>


                Never mind,</P>


                Skippy</P>
                AS FAR AS ORGANS ARE CONCERNED - I'M A GOOD MECHANIC AND A HOPELESS DRIVER.
                Hammond C3 & M102 & Elegante & PR40. Yamaha D85 & D65 & FS30 & MC600 & GX76. Thomas Celebrity Royale 871, Kawai T5 & E550, Conn 643 & 632 & 552.Lowrey H25R2. Elka EP12. Orla D6180, Wurlitzer 4430 & Omni 7000 & 555. Roland D70 & RA90 . Ferrofish B4000+. Leslie 145 & 705 & 710 & 720

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