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    Hello all. My first post. I have a Crumar Mojo61 with the lower manual and anduino second set of drawbars.
    I havve realized that my bass's 40Watt Ampeg doesn't do the necessaries for my new Crumar.
    So, what are the arguments for a Yorkville 100 Watt keyboard amp vs the Yorkville NX Series 600 Watt Peak 12-Inch+Horn Active PA Cabinet?
    Thanks

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    I have the Crumar Mojo61 and find the powered PA speakers work better than keyboard amps. I use a EV 12 inch ZLX . 2 sound great in stereo. They sound much better than my Traynor K4 keyboard amp.
    ‘57 B3,63 A100, ‘54 B2, 51 C2, 142 Leslie, 145 Leslie, 251 Leslie, 760 Leslie, Crumar Mojo 61

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    • #3
      My 'bench test' amp(or small rehearsal) is a Yorkville KB100. My gig cabinets are Yorkville NX55P,the older ones; not the newer type.
      I've played over better but they do just fine.
      This Yamaha S215V powered by a Yorkville M1610 mixer can really be heard.
      A block away,so it's an outdoor stage side fill that sounds great as a keys/bass amp.
      I love watching the cones move when I dial in the Behringer Model D on the lower octaves.
      Anyone else on here using a 'D'? It's hanging off the Nord C2D sometimes,and the Stage2EX or 3.
      A100/251 A100/147 A102/222 B2/142 BV/147 BCV/145 M3/145 M102/145 M111/770 L101/760 T222/HL722 M111/770 no B3/C3!

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      • #4
        Happy QSC k12.2 user here. If you can't pony up for it, look at the just-announced QSC CP 12s. They're the prior generation k12s for half the price.

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        • #5
          K4 Traynor and Roland KC880 are the two I like the best, I went Roland
          1956 M3, 51 Leslie Young Chang spinet, Korg Krome and Kronos

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          • #6
            JBL EON.
            3chan mixer. Can send XLR to PA snake/mix.

            I learned long ago you gotta get something with a 15" speaker. Gotta move air to hear the good lows. 12" simply don't cut it with me.
            JBL (and now several others) makes a nice package that I use to this day.

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            • #7
              Sometimes 'things learned long ago' can change.
              A powered speaker from ten years ago can't keep up to the newer models of any brand I've heard,which are many.
              The 2008 era Meyer 12" floor wedges have more bass than a 2008 era JBL EON 15".
              Maybe some other JBL can keep up to it,EON certainly can't.
              The world has moved on......it's 2018 and 10" speakers I've heard blow the doors off those old 15".

              Up here in Canada? RCF components are found in the Yorkville I use.
              Italian made speakers and HF horns.
              These 2011 Yorkville NX55P 12" weigh more than a powered JBL of the same size.
              No problem handling the Model D synth bass.The newer 2016 models have 1100 watts.
              Three channel mixer with line/mic/split/DI/two band EQ,HPF.
              A lot of them in use in the 'good ol USA' too.
              Yorkville is popular in the eastern US for sure.
              My only knock on the Yorkville is the built in limiters kick in too fast.
              The JBL limiters are pretty much the same.
              On the Meyer boxes there are no compromises with the 12" bass output.
              The newer ones at The Commodore Ballroom? Leave the old EON at home ;>)
              I feel for ya,at least they are US made.......LOL.

              Now, about this JBL D130F-8 that came to me in a Leslie 147 last week,must get the Jensen P15LL back in it.
              Some lucky guitarist,maybe a steel player,will benefit from this vintage basket more. It 'sucks' in a 147.......

              The only advantage to using a 'keyboard amp' over a powered speaker might be the ability to mix different 'eras'
              of keyboards.A Wurli 200A has a different output than a modern keyboard. Gain stages can be matched up better.
              Roland Key amps have a Leslie sim which is light years better than the old Yorkville 'REV' models,
              which had the worst Leslie sim I've ever heard or used.

              No old stuff except the Hammond here,so the Yorkville 100KB does see a little use from time to time.
              I just find high powered keyboard amps redundant.
              Anything more than 100W RMS around here is a Yorkville wedge.
              These PS1's(line array) have 4- 6.5in 'woofers'.....no 15" can compete except maybe the Unity series with the 15" 'radiators'.
              Mind you,the line array is still tolerable standing right in front of the box,20 meters back its still in focus.
              The Unitys are useless after 20 meters IMO.
              No Unity/Radiator box I've heard can do what the little line arrays can,and that includes ALL brands.
              When I am the roadie....the PS1's are what I can safely handle.

              I used JBL's for years when that was 'what was available',like 1967-1990 or so.
              Great speakers,but I've moved on.
              I support Yorkville and Radial products 100%! Built right here!
              Both are independant companies and not part of a 'conglom' like Harman,and set their own agendas.
              Forward thinking...true north strong!
              A100/251 A100/147 A102/222 B2/142 BV/147 BCV/145 M3/145 M102/145 M111/770 L101/760 T222/HL722 M111/770 no B3/C3!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sweet Pete View Post
                The world has moved on......it's 2018 and 10" speakers I've heard blow the doors off those old 15".
                <snicker>
                Verbatim.
                Almost verbatim.
                It's always the same. Heard many, many claims. "Mine's just as good". This is the laughable rhetoric that put Bose on the map until the mass-hypnosis wore off.
                New. Better. The Latest.
                Only in your case, "I shill for the company."

                In a couple of life's ventures, "there's no replacement for displacement." Or, perhaps as good, "size matters." Not expecting Canadians to understand, though.

                If you wanna move the air, you gotta have the area. There is no substitute and has never been, though many have tried. And their shills have championed the cause only to be found out.

                Not saying your speaks sound bad. Not saying you can't tell tailored response from flat. Just saying your version of "new" has been around many times AND YET it still comes back to moving big air with big speaks. Every single time.

                Glad to see you're happy up north with your up north stuff.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tiredoldgeezer View Post
                  <snicker>
                  Verbatim.
                  Almost verbatim.
                  It's always the same. Heard many, many claims. "Mine's just as good". This is the laughable rhetoric that put Bose on the map until the mass-hypnosis wore off.
                  New. Better. The Latest.
                  Only in your case, "I shill for the company."

                  In a couple of life's ventures, "there's no replacement for displacement." Or, perhaps as good, "size matters." Not expecting Canadians to understand, though.

                  If you wanna move the air, you gotta have the area. There is no substitute and has never been, though many have tried. And their shills have championed the cause only to be found out.

                  Not saying your speaks sound bad. Not saying you can't tell tailored response from flat. Just saying your version of "new" has been around many times AND YET it still comes back to moving big air with big speaks. Every single time.

                  Glad to see you're happy up north with your up north stuff.
                  Canada is the source of all good music, Justin, Avril. Celine and Nickleback, mind your tongue
                  1956 M3, 51 Leslie Young Chang spinet, Korg Krome and Kronos

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jdoc View Post
                    Canada is the source of all good music, Justin, Avril. Celine and Nickleback, mind your tongue
                    Where else would The Rodeo Song come from?
                    Fosterchild played Hanna Alberta high school grad dance,in 1978 when Chad was in grade 10.He snuck in to hear us.
                    Our other keyboardist was Doug Johnson.
                    And for you real trivia people,Keith Hampshire's signature tune on Pirate Radio Caroline off the UK coast in 1964 was,
                    Las Vegas Scene by Wes Dakus and The Rebels.

                    First time I saw Joe Walsh he was in James Gang playing through Traynor amps.
                    In the Eagles there is a Traynor on stage.....

                    JBL is owned by Samsung along with the rest of the 'conglom'.
                    Yorkville is a privately owned company beholden to no one.
                    So is Radial.
                    So is Meyer.

                    I have lots of offshore stuff too,just not my speakers.
                    As for country of manufacture I use some Switchcraft/Hubbell connectors just to include the USA.
                    I could exlude them completely,but why? I like the USA!
                    And of course the sounds of Hammond,Rhodes,Wurli200,Moog,and many more are good 'ol USA sounds too!

                    The world really has moved on though.
                    Everything else is from Europe or Asia.
                    A100/251 A100/147 A102/222 B2/142 BV/147 BCV/145 M3/145 M102/145 M111/770 L101/760 T222/HL722 M111/770 no B3/C3!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jdoc View Post
                      Canada is the source of all good music, Justin, Avril. Celine and Nickleback, mind your tongue
                      <LOLOL!>
                      I'm hanging my head in shame for not recognizing that!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sweet Pete View Post
                        First time I saw Joe Walsh he was in James Gang playing through Traynor amps.
                        In the Eagles there is a Traynor on stage.....

                        JBL is owned by Samsung along with the rest of the 'conglom'.
                        Yorkville is a privately owned company beholden to no one.
                        So is Radial.
                        So is Meyer.

                        I have lots of offshore stuff too,just not my speakers.
                        As for country of manufacture I use some Switchcraft/Hubbell connectors just to include the USA.
                        I could exlude them completely,but why? I like the USA!
                        And of course the sounds of Hammond,Rhodes,Wurli200,Moog,and many more are good 'ol USA sounds too!

                        The world really has moved on though.
                        Everything else is from Europe or Asia.
                        Hey, that's quite the interesting backstory and trivia and all, but I never used corporate structure in my retail decisionmaking. Dunno. Just bought what worked for me.
                        To each his own.

                        Back in the day, I paid attention to what equipment the big boys used, until i realized they got their stuff for free and I never would. After that moment, I regarded it as "monkey-see/monkey-do" consumerism so I stopped that, too.

                        But I suppose disregard of trendiness just comes with maturity. I've discovered that a LOT of stuff was done right the first time and 'moving on' often meant abandoning what we already knew was right. Speakers perhaps most obvious because the technology is so mature. There's even been a recent resurgence of the once-reviled DX-7 for similar reasons.

                        I've shown a whole new generation there's still an incredible amount of music left in otherwise old and 'outdated' equipment. It's almost as good as exposing a kid to vinyl for the first time.

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