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  • RT3 + 825 + ? Help me choose a second leslie.

    I've inherited a RT3 and 825. The good news it's set up to take multiple PIN types and comes with a bunch of cables. My brother has had everything plugged into it at one time or the other, 122, 31H etc. He says no problem to play any Leslie + the 825.

    Bad news is I'm not rich :) A grand is my upper most, and I'd rather not spend that much.

    How will a 125 and 825 sound together? I'm looking to learn to play shouts, blues etc. It's been all piano till now. But I been watching all those vids :)

    Or to put it another way: what Leslie should I look for to add to the 825, that won't totally break the bank? 31H?

    Also source suggestions for Tacoma/Olympia/Portland/Boise apreciated

    thanks :)
    1960 Blonde RT-3
    Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
    Young Chang U121
    Fatar SL 880
    Nektar Panorama T4

  • #2
    760 or 770? They are a nice traditional horns and drum setup and part of the 9 pin family. You already have a 9 pin hookup for the 825. Plug and play!
    Hammond C3, M102, XB3, XB5
    Lowrey Heritage DSO-1, H25-3, Yamaha E70
    Farfisa Compact Duo Mk2, Vox Continental 300, Korg BX3 Mk1, Leslie 122, 145
    www.drawbardave.co.uk

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    • #3
      IMHO you can’t shout without the upper horns. The upgrade from the 825 would be a 330 but I think they’re pretty rare.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SylvStuart View Post
        IMHO you can’t shout without the upper horns. The upgrade from the 825 would be a 330 but I think they’re pretty rare.
        .....and 11 pin.
        Hammond C3, M102, XB3, XB5
        Lowrey Heritage DSO-1, H25-3, Yamaha E70
        Farfisa Compact Duo Mk2, Vox Continental 300, Korg BX3 Mk1, Leslie 122, 145
        www.drawbardave.co.uk

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        • #5
          Originally posted by uhoh7 View Post
          I've inherited a RT3 and 825. The good news it's set up to take multiple PIN types and comes with a bunch of cables. My brother has had everything plugged into it at one time or the other, 122, 31H etc. He says no problem to play any Leslie + the 825.

          Bad news is I'm not rich :) A grand is my upper most, and I'd rather not spend that much.

          How will a 125 and 825 sound together? I'm looking to learn to play shouts, blues etc. It's been all piano till now. But I been watching all those vids :)

          Or to put it another way: what Leslie should I look for to add to the 825, that won't totally break the bank? 31H?

          Also source suggestions for Tacoma/Olympia/Portland/Boise apreciated

          thanks :)
          I also recommend a two speed, rotor and horn Leslie.

          the 9 pin Leslie 760 is probably the best value for money you will find and it is plug-and-play for your setup.
          But also consider a 122, 142, 145, 147 They can be found for a bargain sometimes.
          Craigslist search for Leslie and be patient.

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          • #6
            For an RT3 already running an 825, I'd consider a 710 modified with a Trek crossover for single channel operation.

            They are two speed. They look good and are the same sized wooden cabinet as a 122/147/770 (but with the extra slots for the fixed channel speakers).

            They are 9 pin like your 825 and use the same solid state amps. It will give you the upper horn that the 825 lacks and the rotosonic lower will give a contrasting slower acceleration/deceleration than the cheesewheel lower on the 825. And they are cheaper than a 760 or 770 and way less expensive (and also louder than) than a 122 or 147 etc.

            And later on it can be modified into a 770 by the replacement of the rotosonic unit with a donor lower rotor

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            • #7
              Thanks you guys for the great replies.

              I see that some of your suggestions are colored by the 9 pin cable. In this case, it's not a factor. The exact components I don't know, in fact I will see the organ for the first time when I grab it. My brother has been playing hammonds since the 60s. Once I learned about the cables, I called him. We discussed for 20 mins. He has every type of cable, and all go with organ. He has played it with 9 pin and 6 pin both plugged in. He found a local technician years ago and had the organ adapted to make this possible. I will post pics when I finally get there.

              So please forget the pins!!! Also forget the "looks". I live alone, the speaker can be ugly LOL. I do crave a 122, so maybe a 22h?

              I have a source with 125s for 3-500 each, which is a bit "retail", I know. I was thinking the combo might make up for the limitations of the 825. I have studied Capt Foldback's page, so I know enough to be dangerous ;)

              I love all the suggestions, as each gives me great hints to pursue. I was thinking about those 700-770s, but the input I got last night on the phone with a tacoma guru was that for shout and blues nothing beats the old 6 pins. IE a 31H would be better than any of the 9-11 pin speakers for that sound, considering the 825 remains in use. But maybe that is just not the case and a 700 would be fantastic.

              I live in the middle of nowhere, and...well I guess SLC is 5 hours away. I fly over to Seatac next week and rent a uhaul, what could go wrong? ;) So been combing the ads in Seattle area but I think the gig is up over there. Lots of guys buy them and fix them up. On my way back I go sort of close to a big place in Hillsburogh OR that say they have 70 Leslies in stock. Probably because all are wildly overpriced, hehe. I sent emails to two hammond techs near portland begging for options.

              Now I do have a line on a 145 in tacoma for 1200. But that seems about 300 high. I think it's clean but not sparkling. What is a fair price for unrestored but working 145? I know, the actual range is all over the place, but how high should a poor man go?

              besides that, pretend cables are not an issue and I want to shout for under a grand. :)

              I have to say it so cool to learn about a bunch of great Hammond players I knew nothing about. I was all over Wild Bill today. I thought I knew Jazz and blues decently, and I can list quite a few dead piano players. RIP Henry Butler. Turns out I don't know **** LOL. Which has me pretty excited and inspired to drive the neighborhood out of their mind.
              1960 Blonde RT-3
              Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
              Young Chang U121
              Fatar SL 880
              Nektar Panorama T4

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              • #8
                I've got a 122, a 147, a 44W converted to 2-speed and two modified 120s...but would really love to have a 760 or 770. I played one a few years back and loved it. Very quiet running but could get very loud. Keep in mind that 122's have a slight acceleration lag when you switch to fast. My model AV is wired for 6W and 6H but they sound kinda weird together due to this. If I'm not mistaken the 6H connections are the only ones that have this lag.

                ...just curious....what exactly is "shout"?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by clem View Post
                  I've got a 122, a 147, a 44W converted to 2-speed and two modified 120s...but would really love to have a 760 or 770. I played one a few years back and loved it. Very quiet running but could get very loud. Keep in mind that 122's have a slight acceleration lag when you switch to fast. My model AV is wired for 6W and 6H but they sound kinda weird together due to this. If I'm not mistaken the 6H connections are the only ones that have this lag.

                  ...just curious....what exactly is "shout"?
                  Thank you Clem, I'm seriously jealous, what do you like to play?

                  A shout:
                  https://youtu.be/AgmzD8wuYDM

                  Here the young phenom Cory Henry, video even worse, but playing is fine :)
                  https://youtu.be/wTGyiW1Vrdg?t=93

                  Two weeks ago I had no clue what a hammond shout really was. I'm in. :)

                  The roots:
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shout_band

                  They like A flat, here is nice tutorial:
                  https://youtu.be/J-UkUducjSY
                  Last edited by uhoh7; 11-01-2018, 08:42 AM.
                  1960 Blonde RT-3
                  Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                  Young Chang U121
                  Fatar SL 880
                  Nektar Panorama T4

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                  • #10
                    Thanks. I didn't realize that's what that style was called.
                    My collection is pretty lame compared to most on here. I play covers...mainly rock and blues with a little country on occasion.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by clem View Post
                      Thanks. I didn't realize that's what that style was called.
                      My collection is pretty lame compared to most on here. I play covers...mainly rock and blues with a little country on occasion.
                      You play. That's all that matters. :)
                      1960 Blonde RT-3
                      Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                      Young Chang U121
                      Fatar SL 880
                      Nektar Panorama T4

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                      • #12
                        OK I have a few lines.....

                        145 $1200 probably not perfect costmetic, but working. Over my budget, but not impossible. Should I go there?

                        760 not pretty but working. Under 500, maybe as low as 300. It's a guess here.

                        22H converted. This is my first choice. I've offered 500. It is so-so cosemetics but apparently sounds great. It may be taken. How high should I go on it?
                        1960 Blonde RT-3
                        Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                        Young Chang U121
                        Fatar SL 880
                        Nektar Panorama T4

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                        • #13
                          I assume you mean converted to 2-speed. In this area $500 would be a steal on such a thing .It should sound great with an RT3. $1200 will buy a really nice 145 in these parts and I wish I could find a rough looking/good working 760 for $300-500. Doesn't happen around here.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by clem View Post
                            I assume you mean converted to 2-speed. In this area $500 would be a steal on such a thing .It should sound great with an RT3. $1200 will buy a really nice 145 in these parts and I wish I could find a rough looking/good working 760 for $300-500. Doesn't happen around here.
                            Thank You Clem! I just agreed to buy a 760 and converted 22H, the pair, for $795, which are right on my way home to Idaho from Olympia.

                            Of course, a bird in the hand....but I am optimistic all will be well. Wish me luck loading!! OMG. I have to hire a few guys.

                            I finally got pics of the RT-3:


                            IMG_1653 by unoh7, on Flickr


                            IMG_1654 by unoh7, on Flickr
                            Last edited by uhoh7; 11-03-2018, 10:36 PM.
                            1960 Blonde RT-3
                            Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                            Young Chang U121
                            Fatar SL 880
                            Nektar Panorama T4

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                            • #15
                              Congrats on the Leslies and that RT3 is a beauty!
                              Hammond C3, M102, XB3, XB5
                              Lowrey Heritage DSO-1, H25-3, Yamaha E70
                              Farfisa Compact Duo Mk2, Vox Continental 300, Korg BX3 Mk1, Leslie 122, 145
                              www.drawbardave.co.uk

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