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  • My 122Q.....

    OK that's what sombody wrote on my new, already converted 22H :P


    RT 3 and accessories by unoh7, on Flickr

    Sounds good, but soft mechcanical thump thump from lower half in low speed.

    What do I look for, or is that normal?
    1960 Blonde RT-3
    Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
    Young Chang U121
    Fatar SL 880
    Nektar Panorama T4

  • #2
    Cyclic thump as it is spinning, or a single thump as it changes speed?

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    • #3
      I assume this Leslie has single speed motors? There is no switching tube present so I further assume a speed controller under the chassis?

      I wonder if you are hearing the pulsing that speed controllers make at slow speed. You could try unplugging one motor at a time to see if the noise goes away. If it does then this test will also indicate which motor/rotor is making the noise.

      Geo

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      • #4
        Really apreciate the replies, thank you.

        Made two short 7 sec videos
        https://www.dropbox.com/s/wj5f42nbog..._6382.MOV?dl=0
        above is low speed below is fast
        https://www.dropbox.com/s/6kszzw4jtc..._6384.MOV?dl=0

        Cyclic thump on low, basically.

        I was wondering tonite about the missing tube, which I just noticed LOL

        I have not opened the cabinet yet, but have been playing a bit.

        The thump does not really bother me, I just want to see if it's something I should fix.

        Sometimes if I am switching alot, I will loose sound from the speaker. If I restart the RT3 it comes back.

        Shining a light inside tonite I noticed the lower rotor looks new.

        It will go to very loud volume with all bars out, and I worry I might be over driving. I watched Dr Kemp adjust the pedal switch to protect a leslie amp and wondered if I should do the same. You hear it when the organ is not producing sound, but not with a note. It's still happening I'd guess, but it's just not loud enough to break on through.
        1960 Blonde RT-3
        Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
        Young Chang U121
        Fatar SL 880
        Nektar Panorama T4

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        • #5
          This document shows how to install our 2-speed controller for the 22H. More importantly, it also contains info on how to reduce noise with motor/rotor adjustments associated with electronic motor control.

          https://bentonelectronics.com/pdf/MC...structions.pdf

          Geo

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          • #6
            Originally posted by uhoh7 View Post
            It will go to very loud volume with all bars out, and I worry I might be over driving. I watched Dr Kemp adjust the pedal switch to protect a leslie amp and wondered if I should do the same.
            Kemp's PhD is in psychology, not electronics. I also happen to have a PhD in the humanities, but I don't encourage anyone to call me "Dr. Anderson" in the context of Hammond/Leslie repairs. There's a moral to that story.
            I'm David. 'Dave' is someone else's name.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by geoelectro View Post
              This document shows how to install our 2-speed controller for the 22H. More importantly, it also contains info on how to reduce noise with motor/rotor adjustments associated with electronic motor control.

              https://bentonelectronics.com/pdf/MC...structions.pdf

              Geo
              Can't tell you how much I apreciate that document. Fantastic overview and guidence. I was aware of several methods to make the 22H a two speed. The removal of the switching tube would suggest this was the method.

              My organ switch, which is an older on/off

              RT 3 and accessories by unoh7, on Flickr

              I have a 5 to 6 pin cable also, the switch does not work with that one. 6 to 6 is fine, though switching does vary, sometimes flawless, other times it will cut sound either briefly, or until a organ restart. I have several 6 pin cables and this seems to be the case with all. Heat a factor? The amp in speaker does get warm, when recording the videos I felt it.
              But a restart works right away.

              I also got the idea there were several ways to wire the switch. I'm thinking it works, so probably it's wired as designed as noted in the document, but perhaps not as cleanly as required.

              My other project is getting a 760 plugged in. Once I acomplish that I will go deep on this speaker as outlined in the PDF.

              In general, can I damage the amp with high volume? EG all bars out pedal to the floor, it gets very loud. I don't mind being careful, I just want to know. If it is possible, can I adjust my RT3 to reduce the risk?

              I've used many many forums over the years, on all sorts of subjects. I've never seen a forum with such decorum. Really impressive lack of negativity here. Thanks to all.

              Charlie
              1960 Blonde RT-3
              Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
              Young Chang U121
              Fatar SL 880
              Nektar Panorama T4

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              • #8
                Originally posted by David Anderson View Post
                Kemp's PhD is in psychology, not electronics. I also happen to have a PhD in the humanities, but I don't encourage anyone to call me "Dr. Anderson" in the context of Hammond/Leslie repairs. There's a moral to that story.
                I like him. He can call himself squire for all I care. I'm now used to his video style LOL, and his emphatic intros. Thanks to him I have the trim, tone and perc adjusted, and my 22H is signing at half volume. RT3 is much improved. He's one the few guys on YT who shows the DIY stuff, like making cable ends. Gracious and helpful to me.

                And he can play Hammond organ. There is a nice little video were he visits Huss

                https://youtu.be/qRDVaPoZgBk?t=92

                OK Randolf has the young chops, but Kemp is no slouch, far as I'm concerned :)
                1960 Blonde RT-3
                Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                Young Chang U121
                Fatar SL 880
                Nektar Panorama T4

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                • #9
                  The plot thickens....

                  This seems to be the older 22H, with serial 22529. It has two huge gorgeous Russian 6550s

                  The interior of the amp is very clean, and this little guy has to be the two speed converter.

                  22h to 122 by unoh7, on Flickr

                  Obviously this is not the MTClogic converter. Perhaps someone can ID it for me?

                  Seems not to be Carribean Controls
                  So far I cannot find any images of the Hamptone boards......

                  Thanks to all :)

                  This is a nice clear image of the schema (Which I suspect is modified):


                  22H Serial 22529 by unoh7, on Flickr

                  The exterior is not clean. Interior looks like somebody spent some time in there not too long ago:


                  Amp by unoh7, on Flickr

                  The volume pot was having little effect so I was surprised to see things looking so....kept up.
                  Last edited by uhoh7; 11-24-2018, 02:16 PM.
                  1960 Blonde RT-3
                  Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                  Young Chang U121
                  Fatar SL 880
                  Nektar Panorama T4

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                  • #10
                    Both Organ and Leslie all hooked up and now playing fantastic.

                    1960 RT3 with Leslie 22H by unoh7, on Flickr
                    1960 Blonde RT-3
                    Leslies: 2-speed 22H, 760, 105 Round Sound Machine.
                    Young Chang U121
                    Fatar SL 880
                    Nektar Panorama T4

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