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    #61
    Christmas in August

    My church - like many - does a Christmas Eve Service each year. Often it is difficult to get the choir there. And it is often a more relaxed environment. So being creative and working outside the box is tolerated.

    Here is something I used last year. It is an arrangement of what I think is one of the prettiest of the newer Christmas Carols. It's the Candlelight Carol by John Rutter. I sang it as a solo with this as the accompaniment. I did the arrangement myself. I probably broke some copyright rule, but it was for a good cause.

    There are a few mistakes. And the arrangement is in a low key because I had a bit of a cold. This was done using Finale and the Garritan voices. We played it through the sound system the Praise and Worship people used. And I sang it from the area in front of the first center pew.

    I'm going to be charitable and not inflict my singing on you. Everything you are about to hear is electronic. No animals were harmed in any way in the creation of this file. It's a pretty big file. Hope it will go through.

    Note: What I am posting was created in Finale. It is not exactly a MIDI file. What I'm posting is simply an MP3 file of the "performance" by Finale.

    BO

    Candlelight mp3 smaller file.mp3
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    Last edited by Bach-On; 08-14-2019, 04:35 AM.
    Make being happy a way of traveling, not just a destination.

    Church organ - 2 manual 12 rank Estey Pipe Organ with 12 Artisan Digital Stops
    Home organ - Allen R-230 organ (We also have 48 pipes in a facade)
    We have a Yamaha 6' 8" Grand
    Have used an older Korg T3 keyboard and MIDI for doing musical arrangements.
    I'm a Methodist organist.
    I taught high school chorus, elementary music and middle school music.
    Became a Technology Specialist.
    Retired from Education after 32 years.

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      #62
      Love all of that! I'll say it again, it's the INDIVIDUAL INSTRUMENT AND SITUATION that counts -- I've heard electronic organs sound fully like pipes and large, celebrated pipe organs that sounded like tubby electronics.

      "You'll only take Cakewalk and Finale away from me by prying it out of my cold, dead hands" -- priceless. Agree about Cakewalk and have obviously got to get to know Finale and Garritan. Tell your friend that MIDI has LIBERATED the "soul" (his word) of this lifelong classical musician

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        #63
        Finale is a more challenging program to learn than Cakewalk. There are some YouTube vids that can help. Finake just released a new version, Generally, you're looking at under $200 for the program. Then somewhere around $150 for a package of orchestra voices. Every note you heard in that example I posted was done using those voices.

        There are things I use each program for. Some things I even do using both. I may start in one, save it and open the file in the other program and do other things. I've only used the Garritan voices in Finale. But you can save a file as a wave file. That's what I did, then I converted it to an MP3 file (they are smaller).

        I have only bought the Personal Orchestra package of Garritan voices. I've not tried the organ package, though I'd like to. There is a nice enough acoustic piano in the Personal Orchestra. So I never felt the need for a more robust package.

        I've read about but have never actually heard of packages that are even better than Garritan, though they cost lots more.

        There is even a passage that you can use for choral music. You type in the lyrics and the notes and somehow it takes all that OOOs and Ahhhhs stuff and turns it into lyrics. I think if they tell you have to do that they have to kill you.

        Bach On
        Make being happy a way of traveling, not just a destination.

        Church organ - 2 manual 12 rank Estey Pipe Organ with 12 Artisan Digital Stops
        Home organ - Allen R-230 organ (We also have 48 pipes in a facade)
        We have a Yamaha 6' 8" Grand
        Have used an older Korg T3 keyboard and MIDI for doing musical arrangements.
        I'm a Methodist organist.
        I taught high school chorus, elementary music and middle school music.
        Became a Technology Specialist.
        Retired from Education after 32 years.

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        • myorgan
          myorgan commented
          Editing a comment
          Finale and Cakewalk are two different programs. Finale is primarily a notation program, but has some features to sequence. Cakewalk is primarily a sequencing program, but has some features for notation. Neither does the others' function well.

          If you're going to sequence, you need a sequencer–not a program for notation.

          Michael

        #64
        Michael,

        I'm sure you know that Finale comes with an external program that will play files you have created - on the computer. It's called Aria. I think you are correct that Finale won't interface with an external MIDI workstation or a MIDI based organ - though there may be some obscure way to do so I haven't found. Finale and Aria both allow users to make use of "voices" stored in a sound card of a computer. Aria will allow you to play back things created in Finale on a computer that does not have Finale loaded. You can even use a combination of Garritan and standard sound card "voices". And a MIDI file of something you created in Finale can be saved and imported into Cakewalk or Sonar. I've never done it, but Cakewalk Pro Audio or Sonar may allow you to play Garritan voices using VST or maybe even save them as sound files. There's even a collection of other VST (Virtual Studio Technology) packages that can be obtained free or at low cost. When you enable VST in Finale you get an option to select SmartMusic voices, These are improvements on the voices found in some sound cards, though they are nowhere near as good as the Garritan voices.

        Too, selecting Human Playback will allow Finale to make changes to a file that can be saved, then imported into Cakewalk. Try it, if you haven't already, and see what Finale it does to the subtle volume levels of notes in a melody or a passage of music. I think it is pretty remarkable.

        I repeat that I use both Cakewalk and Finale. I agree that neither does the other's functions. But their combined functions can help users produce a better product.

        BO
        Last edited by Bach-On; 08-15-2019, 10:24 AM.
        Make being happy a way of traveling, not just a destination.

        Church organ - 2 manual 12 rank Estey Pipe Organ with 12 Artisan Digital Stops
        Home organ - Allen R-230 organ (We also have 48 pipes in a facade)
        We have a Yamaha 6' 8" Grand
        Have used an older Korg T3 keyboard and MIDI for doing musical arrangements.
        I'm a Methodist organist.
        I taught high school chorus, elementary music and middle school music.
        Became a Technology Specialist.
        Retired from Education after 32 years.

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        • myorgan
          myorgan commented
          Editing a comment
          My version of Finale didn't have Aria. Because Sibelius had a steeper learning curve, and it provided a much simpler interface with MIDI keyboards, I switched to Sibelius 2000 (before v.2, etc. came out). Finale used to provide NotePad for free, but alas, no longer. I've tried MuseScore, but it has a steeper learning curve than Finale or Sibelius, and far less functionality. For my sequencing and performance, I used the Mac version of Cakewalk called Metro, now sold by Jeremy Sagan (http://www.sagantech.com/).

          Michael

        #65
        I guess I have no need of creating scores since I don't compose and direct no choirs at present. Sounds like all I need is some version of Native Instruments or equivalent (did we discuss these earlier in this thread?) and a VPO, though it's impossible to imagine meself learning the ropes of the latter.

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          #66
          Michael, I don't remember exactly when I bought it, but my first Music Program was Music Printer Plus. Seems like I paid something like $495 for it. I had just gotten my first 'IBM compatible. 20 meg drive, 8 bit - I don't remember the speed of the CPU. This was even before Windows - no mouse. And I had a big clunky dot matrix printer. If I had to guess, I estimate 1982 or 83.

          I communicated with some other teachers and they pointed me to Cakewalk. Then I bought a Korg T3 workstation and did arrangements for assembly performances for elementary school and for church.

          Many band directors started with Sibelius and Finale especially for marching band field shows. I had moved into School Administration by that time, so I didn't make the switch to Finale until much later when I started teaching technology to our staff all over the school system.

          BO.

          Jules - start with making an arrangement of a hymn or an anthem, Tinker and play. I'd suggest you begin with Cakewalk. Then if you find you like doing it, you can move to Finale.

          You can get plenty of MIDI files of arrangements at the Classical MIDI Archives. Not all the files are as good as others. But you can get started using some of their stuff.

          Good luck!

          Make being happy a way of traveling, not just a destination.

          Church organ - 2 manual 12 rank Estey Pipe Organ with 12 Artisan Digital Stops
          Home organ - Allen R-230 organ (We also have 48 pipes in a facade)
          We have a Yamaha 6' 8" Grand
          Have used an older Korg T3 keyboard and MIDI for doing musical arrangements.
          I'm a Methodist organist.
          I taught high school chorus, elementary music and middle school music.
          Became a Technology Specialist.
          Retired from Education after 32 years.

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