Help needed to identify Thomas rhythm chips

[Scott from Oz]

Hi there,
I’m trying to identify what ICs are on the rhythm generator board of a thomas Celebrity Royale 7181. The chip numbers are thomas part numbers and I need to know the replacement chip types.
chip numbers are: 13-5133-6 and 13-5131-6 hopefully someone can identify these.
thanks
scott

[tucsondave]

Those are custom chips:
1300 51316 $24.95 Rhy Voice II Codes -Rhythm LSI Custom
1300 51336 $19.95 Rhy Voice I Codes -Rhythm LSI Custom
1993 prices from a now defunct 3rd party company.

Also I just found the Bandmaster schematics if you still need them. Bad news is they are on microfiche and the scan may be a bit soft.

[Scott from Oz]

Thanks TD
yes the bandmaster schematics will be really helpful.
as for the ICs, do you know if they were used in the symphony Royale 782?
cheers
scott

[tucsondave]

782 had the RM7 rhythm, 7181 had the RM 11 so different chips.

[Scott from Oz]

The rhythm patterns on track one seem to be missing various tones but track 2 seems ok. I wonder if it’s the chips I mentioned above or it’s the 918/5067 chips, again I don’t know what these are.

[Scott from Oz]

Ok, so there must be some replacement somewhere for the thing, also I don’t quite understand how the patterns are generated

[tucsondave]

The rhythm patterns on track one seem to be missing various tones but track 2 seems ok. I wonder if it’s the chips I mentioned above or it’s the 918/5067 chips, again I don’t know what these are.

Have you checked pins 23, 25-30 and 45-52 for the 10 volt logic pulses from the voicing chips to the rhythm voicing boards? You will have to check each pin on every rhythm to insure the voicing chips are good.
All the rhythm switches must be clean and operating properly through the selector matrix to the chip control inputs 1, 4, &5 on the voicing chips.

Patterns are generated within the rhythm voicing, Fancy Fingers, and Fancy Foot chips based on which of the rhythm switch input lines are selected. Binary 1-7 for track B or 9-15 if track A is selected.

td

[Scott from Oz]

Will check today thanks. So, what are the 5067 chips? Replaceable?

[tucsondave]

Quad 2-Input NAND Gate 4011A