I Will Ask Again.....

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NYCFarmboy replied

08-02-2008, 09:13 AM
Re: I Will Ask Again.....

started out as the original as built 1948 opus 822 Reuter:

97 notes Bourdon, unified from 16' thru 2'

73 notes Diapason

73 notes Oboe

73 notes Salicional

73 notes Dulciana

all highly unified.

I have the original console still wired up to operate the organ exactly as it did in 1948...and a 2nd console that operates all 21 ranks I now have running (somewhat).

Once you start adding ranks beyond the 4 basic type of ranks (flute/diapason/string/reed) ranks I feel you do have to go past the 20 rank threshold to make a big difference...a 4 or 5 rank unit organ is so diverse...and once you start adding from that you are only adding a different shade of a flavor you already have so the net gain per rank is very dimenished after you get a good rank of each type in that sounds good for your home.

...for a home installation I HIGHLY recommend a celeste with a string as well...i think my recommendation for a basic 5 rank unit organ for the HOME would be to have a Dulciana with a Dulciana celeste instead of a Salicional if space were at a premium.
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james replied

08-02-2008, 07:43 AM
Re: I Will Ask Again.....

NYCFarmboy,

I love that mellow French Horn sound. Rather than a very reedy Clarinet, I like to make one up of with the Flutes at8' 2 2/3' and 1 3/5' It has a nice clear solo tone that is similiar to a Clarinet, and many electronic organs has done it for years. I have a CD of Bob Ralston playing a Barton Theater Pipe Organ, and I notice his use of this setting quite often.

What five ranks did you start out with NYCfarmboy?


James
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08-02-2008, 07:39 AM
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RANK GREAT SWELL PEDAL

Principal 8
4 2 16
8 4

Gemshorn 2 2/3 1
1/3 1 8 4 2 8

Stopped Flute 8
4 2 1 3/5 8 4 1 1/3 16
8 4

Dulcianna 16
8 8
4 16

Trumpet 8
4 8
 16
8 4 

Oboe 8 16
8 4 16

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GREAT SWELL PEDAL

16 Double Dulcianna 8 Gemshorn 32
Acoustic Bass

8 Principal 8
Stopped Diapason 16
Principal

8 Stopped Diapason 8
Dulcianna 16
Bourdon

8 Dulcianna 4
Gemshorn 16
Dulcianna

4 Principal 4
Stopped Flute 8 Principal

4 Stopped Flute 4
Dulcet 
8 Gemshorn

2 2/3 Nazard 2
2/3 Dulcet Twelfth 8
Flute

2 Fifteenth 2
Gemshorn 
4 Octave Principal

1 3/5 Tierce 1
1/3 Larigot 
4 Choral Bass

1 SIfflote 16
Double Oboe 16
Double Oboe

8 Trumpet 8
Oboe 16
Double Trumpet

4 Clarion 4
Octave Oboe 
8 Trumpet

Swell to Great 8 Trumpet 4 Clarion

Gt & Pd Combs Cpld Tremulant Great
to Pedal

 Swell
to Pedal



Would be interested to hear comments from the organ builders. Would such a specification work. What modifications would you suggest?

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NYCFarmboy replied

08-02-2008, 06:32 AM
Re: I Will Ask Again.....

hey i'll swap you a clarinet for that French Horn ;)
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james replied

08-01-2008, 04:48 PM
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Many thanks guys, this is what I was hoping for, and Greg, I am glad you did post too. This gives me some great insight as well as where improvements could be considered.

James
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Guest replied

08-01-2008, 04:30 PM
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Well that was a load of rubbish. Don't know why I bothered posting.
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08-01-2008, 04:29 PM
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Rank Great Swell Pedal

Principal 8
4 2 8
16
8

Open Flute 8
4 8

Stopped Flute 2
2/3 1 3/5 8
4 2 1 1/3 16
8 5 1/3 4

Bassoon 16
8 16

Trumpet 8
4 8 16 8

French Horn 8 8 4

 Personally I would replace the Open Flute with a Gemshorn or a Dulcianna. I would replace the French Horn with a Clarinet.There are no couplers in this design

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NYCFarmboy replied

08-01-2008, 04:11 PM
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depends on how wild you want to get it unified.....and how many of those ranks go to 16' for the pedal ......my minimum spec would be of those ranks (the 16' reeds are optional of course):

pedal:

32' Resultant

16' Bourdon

16' Lieblich Gedeckt (lower wind pressure mechanism on the 16' Bourdon 12 note extention)

8' Diapason

8' Bass Flute (the 8' Bourdon)

4' Octave (Diapason ext)

4' Flute

16' Trumpet

16' Bassoon

8' Trumpet

8' Bassoon

8' French Horn

4' Bassoon

Great:

16' Diapason (TC) ext. of Diapason 8'

8' Diapason

8' Gedeckt

4' Octave (Diapason ext.)

4' Flute (Gedeckt at 4')

2' Super Octave (Diapason ext.)

Unit Mixture stop of the Diapason and Bourdon at 2 2/3', 1', 2' and the Larigot perhaps

16' Bassoon

8' Trumpet

8' Bassoon

Swell:

16' Bourdon

8' Diapason (Great)

8' Gedeckt

4' Flute

2 2/3' Nazard (Flute unit)

2' Flute

1 3/5' Larigot (flute unit)

1' Sifflote (flute ext)

16' Bassoon (TC?)

16' French horn (TC?)

8' Trumpet

8' Bassoon

8' French Horn

4' Bassoon

4' French Horn

That is in a nutshell basically the stoplist of my original 5 rank organ adjusted to your pipe ranks.

Really depends on how much you want to unify and have room for stoptabs etc..and what switching system you are using....that is basically everything unified to everything..giving the diapason most of the great..and the reeds most of the swell to contrast them .....I don't care for pitch couplers....as 16' TC stops of each rank are much nicer and less muddy just picking and choosing between your stops.

I would recommend a Dulciana... at 16/8/4 on the swell, and 8/4 on the great as well....it would blend well with the flute for a soft stop.
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james started a topic I Will Ask Again.....

08-01-2008, 02:47 PM
I Will Ask Again.....

Recently I asked if someone could make a good stop list for several various ranks I had listed. I did get some very nice suggestions, but very few of the listed ranks were included in the stop list at my last post.

Ok, will some of you give me a good specification i.e. a stop list for a two manual and pedalorgan using the available ranks listed below? I hope that you can include Mixtures, mutation stops,couplers, etc. among the specs. The list would be just fine if unification and duplexing is listed.


Principal rank

Open Flute rank*

or

Soft or Stopped flute rank*

Bassoon rank

Trumpet rank

French Horn rank - a nice solo stop on the Swell

Either of the flutes would be fine.


Thanks,


James
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