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  • #16
    Larry,
    Thanks for the great info & insight on the ADC-7000 speaker setup. I'm beginning to think I may have "bit off more than I can chew". LOL Again my house is a "normal" 2,650 sq ft w/Family Room only 17' X 25'. Don't have the luxury of having a Music Studio/Room. Ugh! With my console Kawaii piano, furniture, --& Daycare bed/toys (my wife has done Home Daycare w/3-6 babies/toddlers for past 35 years!)
    Don't know how/where I'll be able to setup 9 large speakers, amp racks, & larger console than have currently. My wife may be putting me in the "dog house" WITH my big organ!
    I'm currently trying to seek out a "good home" for the Allen ADC-7000-- if not going to be able to set it up practically in my home. Anyone interested in it out there in "Organ Forum Land"??? Also, talking to church(s) that might be interested in it.

    James
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    Last edited by James P; 07-26-2018, 12:47 PM.

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    • #17
      James,

      If you already have bought it I think you should try to make it all fit somehow. You will love playing it compared to the one you have now.

      I certainly do not have a music studio; my living room IS my music studio. For the longest time I had my ADC-6000 in an 875 sq Ft house. Not the room - the whole house was only that big. That was in addition to my two big Yamaha stage model organs, And the pair of very large speaker cabinets that go along with each one of them.

      Of course I did not have the daycare thing, but still, I'll bet you can find a way.

      But then, I'm the guy who tells visitors to just pick an organ bench to sit on when they come over !
      Regards, Larry

      At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 ! ), E-5AR ( X 2, 1 parts, 1 not ), D80 ( parts ), FX-1, FX-20, HS-7T ( parts ), EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen organs : T12-A, T-12B, ADC-6000D. Baldwin 626. Hammond Concorde. Lowrey CH32-1. A bunch of Synthesizers and Keyboards. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with VISTA ), Hammond A105, Baldwin 720T, Several small and medium size pipe organs of many sorts and builders.

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      • #18
        Thanks Larry! We’ll see how all goes. Would love to have the ADC-7000 in my home, just concerned how I’ll make it all fit in my 17’x 25’ room —& still keep my wife happy! ��

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        • #19
          Originally posted by James P View Post
          Would love to have the ADC-7000 in my home, just concerned how I’ll make it all fit in my 17’x 25’ room —& still keep my wife happy! ��
          Hmmm, it's the second part of that statement that will be more work. I see many dinners at nice restaurants and more time in the laundry room in your future... lol

          Being single, it just seems natural to have the big Allen, the big Saville and the big grand piano in my 15x27 living room. But like Larrytow, I do offer guests a bench to sit on when I run out of chairs in that room.
          Larry is my name; Allen is an organ brand name.

          Main: Allen RMWTHEA.3 with Rocky Mount Electra-Piano, Allen 423-C + Gyro cabinet, Britson Opus OEM38, Saville Series IV Opus 209, Steinway AR Duo-Art, Mills Violano Virtuoso with MIDI
          Lower Level: Hammond 9812H with roll player, Gulbransen Rialto, Roland E-200, Vintage Moog
          Shop: Mason&Hamlin AR Ampico piano, Allen ADC-5300-D with 18 speakers and MIDI, 4 Allen theater organ tone cabinets (including 3 Gyros, but don't call me Gyro Gearloose!).

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          • #20
            Larry, I think you’re right about my “future”, trying to fit 9 speakers & amps w/console in 17’x 25’ Room. Ugh!!

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            • #21
              James,

              So today I am working in my shop ( and it is small too ), and your space issue came to mind. If you have a closet near the room the organ will be going into, you could consider putting the amps in there. Might have to rebuild / modify / make an amp rack to fit said closet, but that would keep them out of the room itself. And away from the daycare kids, which might be nice - no disconnected wires, etc.

              Larry ( AllenAnalog ), LOL - I don't feel so strange about doing that now !
              Regards, Larry

              At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 ! ), E-5AR ( X 2, 1 parts, 1 not ), D80 ( parts ), FX-1, FX-20, HS-7T ( parts ), EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen organs : T12-A, T-12B, ADC-6000D. Baldwin 626. Hammond Concorde. Lowrey CH32-1. A bunch of Synthesizers and Keyboards. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with VISTA ), Hammond A105, Baldwin 720T, Several small and medium size pipe organs of many sorts and builders.

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              • #22
                James,

                What do you have above the ceiling in that room? Not the best place for speakers, but if it is attic space, you could put grill in your ceiling and let the speakers speak down. You would then need to insulate the heck out of the speakers to keep the summer heat away from them. Many home pipe organs were installed with the pipes in the attic and spoke down thru grill work. Certainly not the best method but one that might make it possible to have your cake and it too. Lol

                Michael

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                • #23
                  James,

                  While I don't know what you already have in that room, it sounds like my parents' living room (18'x28'). In that room, which doubled as a dining room, the piano and desk were at one end, the dining room table and a buffet at the other end, and the living area in the center. If you stack the speakers on their sides as already recommended, they'll fit neatly in three 1.5'x3' stacks--that's not much of a footprint. Total floorspace used--4.5'x3' (13.5 sq. ft.) from a 425 sq.ft. room. I'd be happy with that! The organ only takes 5.5'x6' (33 sq.ft.). Not much to sacrifice IMHO.

                  I hope that gives a bit more perspective.

                  Michael
                  Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                  • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                  • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                  • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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                    • #25
                      Good news on both fronts. I don't have any advice on the 301B speaker setup - I think you will need to try it out to find the best arrangement in that room.

                      For your home, I would still be inclined to put the choir, great and swell speakers (6) flanking the organ and the pedal speakers (3) by your TV. You might even find that facing the six speakers towards the wall behind the organ, spaced a couple of feet away, rather than speaking directly into your face creates a better blend and more pleasant sound.

                      Did the organ come with the standard 4-shelf amp rack or the optional 6-shelf rack (with all S-100 amplifiers)? Does it have the optional Brass Choir?

                      There should be a cage chart inside the organ which shows the distribution of voices between the 9 amplifier channels. If you did not get one (or the layout chart for the amp rack) let us know and one of us with that information can send it to you via email. You may have antiphonal relays on the top shelf of the amp rack but you won't need to keep those in the speaker circuits with your installation.

                      Since these instruments could be customized, it would be nice to see photos of the drawknobs and tilting tablets to see how your instrument compares to the stock model.
                      Last edited by AllenAnalog; 08-05-2018, 01:37 PM.
                      Larry is my name; Allen is an organ brand name.

                      Main: Allen RMWTHEA.3 with Rocky Mount Electra-Piano, Allen 423-C + Gyro cabinet, Britson Opus OEM38, Saville Series IV Opus 209, Steinway AR Duo-Art, Mills Violano Virtuoso with MIDI
                      Lower Level: Hammond 9812H with roll player, Gulbransen Rialto, Roland E-200, Vintage Moog
                      Shop: Mason&Hamlin AR Ampico piano, Allen ADC-5300-D with 18 speakers and MIDI, 4 Allen theater organ tone cabinets (including 3 Gyros, but don't call me Gyro Gearloose!).

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                      • #26
                        James,

                        Congratulations on the acquisition and keeping the ADC-7000 in your home.

                        I would say the answer lies on where the organist sits. I would put the channel with the pedals opposite the organist (if the organist is to one side). Better yet, have all the speakers in one location--if possible.

                        If you do a search of Forum posts on the topic: "speaker placement", you'll find several threads with concrete suggestions, as well as detailed discussions of the factors which go into speaker placement decisions (i.e. height from the floor, separate sides vs. same side, reflected sound vs. direct sound, etc.).

                        Best on your upcoming work.

                        Michael
                        Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
                        • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
                        • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
                        • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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