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  • Pair of Allen T-12 Organs - What to Do With Um ?

    Hi everyone,

    I have here a pair of Allen T-12 organs. One is a T-12A, the other is a T-12B. They need to be gone from here this summer yet - one way or another. Both are complete with pedals and benches. Both of them have the Princess pedalboard. I'm at the stage of trying to determine the best way to make them disappear.

    The B model needs an amp, as I used it on another project. That is the reason the organ came here actually - ya want parts, ya gotta take the whole thing ! It also has no speakers with it. But other than those things, the organ works just the way it is supposed to. And the woodwork is in fine shape. It appears that this organ was built in 1977, according to a date on the Swell manual frame. The pedalboard also has the magnetic contact system, rather than the usual plug in style.

    The A model is completely intact, and working well. The only issue with it is that many of the keys on both manuals are discolored to a sort of yellowish / tan. But not all of them evenly. All of the E, G, and A keys are sill normal white. It is a really strange looking, but not a functional problem. I've never seen a keyboard do that before.

    I'm thinking of several options, but not sure if any of them are worth the time investment. One is to simply put up ads to come get them for free. Another is to take them to the dump and just get them gone ( but that costs me to dump them ). The obvious solution is to take them apart for salvage parts. The actual questions I wrestle with are these :

    1, Would anyone even want a pair of free T-12 Allen organs ? Digital ones are reasonably easy to come by, so I'm thinking that even free is not a good enough price for an analog organ ?

    2, Considering the Princess pedalboards, would anyone even want them to make a MIDI console out of them ?

    3, If I do part them out, what parts might have some resale value ? Yes, I know the obvious things : Exp pedal, Amps, complete keyboards, the Gyro from the A model, and so on. The big flute generators are likely worthless these days ? What about the Princess pedalboards and contact rails / wiring ; would anyone want to make MIDI pedals from a Princess size board ?

    4, Are the keyboards in a T-12 the same ones as in a MOS organ ? Or at least, are the key covers the same as in a MOS organ ?

    The thought of destroying ( even parting out ) perfectly functional organs pains me - a lot ! But there are times when things just need to be gone. I'm at that point with these two. Suggestions, thoughts, insight, are all welcome.

    Photos of T-12B in this post. Next post is T-12A
    Regards, Larry

    At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), FX-20, EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Baldwin 626. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755.

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    Here are some photos of the T-12A
    Regards, Larry

    At Home : Yamaha Electones : EX-42 ( X 3 !!! ), E-5AR, FX-1 ( X 2 !! ), FX-20, EL-25 ( X 2, 1 chopped, 1 not ). Allen 601D, ADC 6000D. Baldwin 626. Lowrey CH32-1. At Churches I play for : Allen Q325 ( with Vista ), Allen L123 ( with Navigator ). Rodgers 755.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Larrytow View Post
      The A model is completely intact, and working well. The only issue with it is that many of the keys on both manuals are discolored to a sort of yellowish / tan. But not all of them evenly. All of the E, G, and A keys are sill normal white. It is a really strange looking, but not a functional problem. I've never seen a keyboard do that before.
      Larry,

      I had the same thing happen to my 505-B. I ended up purchasing key caps online and re-capping the ones that were yellowed (they were the least in number). For some strange reason, they were also indented like someone had taken their fingernail and struck it over and over–but that was only on a few keys.

      At the same time, I was also asking how to make yellowed keys white again. Suggestions ranged from using whitening toothpaste, to mayonnaise, and other topical solutions like soaking them in a Pepsodent (denture) wash. Personally, I think Allen got a bad batch of keys, and they somehow got past quality control and ended up on some organs. It is quite odd how they are specific pitches as well!

      Michael
      Way too many organs to list, but I do have 5 Allens:
      • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony) / ADC-8000DKC
      • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
      • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 6 Pianos

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      • #4
        The hoarder in me just wants to rent a trailer and drive up to Wisconsin!

        I don't know how much of a drawback the princess pedals would be to the average person. The absolutely marvelous real Allen keyboards (same as MOS) would be a big plus, as well as the beautiful console. If I were about to embark on a VPO project that needed to take up a little less room than a full AGO console, I might want to use an old T-12 console, and then try to cajole Allen into selling me one of their concave/parallel pedal boards to replace the princess pedals. I'm quite confident that I'd be happy with that pedal board, which supposedly is a drop-in replacement for the princess.

        Oh well, I've got my own "project" going right now. And (knock on wood) I'm down to just FOUR organs in the shop! One of those is sold, awaiting delivery when the COVID crisis eases. And I really shouldn't be flirting with the notion of bringing in another one. Yet that beautiful console is calling to me!
        John
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        • #5
          I have been in that situation too. And wound up scrapping them. However the princess pedal boards were sellable in my case because they were the wired type with contacts; easy for MIDI use. Actually one was bought by a musician who played classical guitar, but also wanted pedal notes from a synth. The princess pedals board was perfect for that. The pity is that I never had a chance to watch him play. The benches have value too, even as a plant stand! (really, somebody did!)
          As to the remains, I wait until there is a community recycling event for e-waste. I feel environmentally correct when I take an organ there. Of course right now with COVID, I don't know when the next event is. I have this Hammond H100 that needs a proper burial.
          Can't play an note but love all things "organ" Responsible for 2/10 Wurli pipe organ, Allen 3160(wife's), Allen LL324, Allen GW319EX, ADC4600, many others. E-organ shop to fund free organ lessons for kids.

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          • #6
            My Hammond E-111 has some yellowed keys, and the guy that sold it to me said that it sat near a stained glass window. I'm making room now to get that organ where I can work on it some. It has very genteel sounds, very dignified.
            -- I'm Lamar -- Allen TC-4 Classic project, 1899 Kimball project
            -- Rodgers W5000C, Roland RD300NX, DS-61/88, FA-06 - Conn 643 Theater - Hammond M3
            -- Public domain hymn search: https://songselect.ccli.com/search/r...t=publicdomain

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