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    Hi forum,</P>


    I was looking for Bach's so called 'Gigue' Fugue in G for organ recently in my new edition of his 'complete' organ works by Barenreiter. To my horror it wasn't there! </P>


    Can anybody please shed any light on this, as it appeared to be in the older Barenreiter edition, which I don't have. </P>


    Regards, </P>


    M.O.</P>

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    This is because some say that Bach did not compose this. I think that the BWV number is 577 (?).

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      According to Corliss Arnold - Organ Literature:A Comprehensive Survey, Second Edition, 1984...</P>


      Yes, Menschenstimme, it is BWV 577.</P>


      It is NOT found in the new BARENREITER edition, nor in the DITSON edition.</P>


      But you CAN find it in PETERS edition Vol. 9, pg. 4 [KALMUS or HANSEN Vol. 9, pg. 18]; SCHIRMER Vol. 1, pg. 62; BORNEMANN Vo. 6, pg. 66; NOVELLO Vol. 12, pg. 55; and BREITKOPF &amp; HARTEL Vol. 4, pg. 67. [I hope I have read and typed the numbers correctly]</P>


      My Bach is all Barenreiter, but I wanted this piece, so I kept my eyes open whenever I saw used organ music for sale, and I ended up witha copy of the Peters for $10 and it isn't even marked up.</P>


      Whoever wrote it, it is a fun piece. You've reminded me that i wanted to learn it myself, so it's off the shelf and on it's way to the organ bench. :P</P>

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        Who wrote this fantastic piece then?

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          [quote user="hauptwerkobsessed"]Who wrote this fantastic piece then?
          [/quote]</P>


          According to Peter Williams' The Organ Works of J.S. Bach, the problem is that there is no Autograph Manuscript and only one or two copies. Any compositional elementsthat might make people think that it's NOT Bach could just be copying errors... or not..... Williams doesn't get into any alternate composers.</P>

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            [quote user="hauptwerkobsessed"]Who wrote this fantastic piece then?
            [/quote] One wonders after reading the doubters if ANYTHING attributed to Bach is actually composed by Bach.

            (I say that as a joke.... ROLLS EYES)

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              [quote user="NYCFarmboy"] One wonders after reading the doubters if ANYTHING attributed to Bach is actually composed by Bach.[8-)][/quote]</P>


              Indeed! It's such a common ployutilized bypseudo-scholars, who lacking the slightest modicum of scholarlyability to gain any kind of recognitionin their particularfield ofdiscipline by contributing anything useful; they are content with mere notoriety, by making outrageousunsupported statements attacking the veractiy of extant body of schlolarship.</P>


              And as Greg asks: Who wrote this fantastic piece then? Exactly!! [:S]</P>


              Waaay back many years ago when I was young, and could enjoy spending endless hours at the keyboard doing Bach stuff;I became aware ofaspecial relationship with this composer; as if our souls and spirts became merged asONE, as I played hismusic.I had the overwhelming sense of understanding who He actually was!</P>


              Am I all alone as some kind of nutcase here, or has anyone else experienced something similar?</P>


              And how about Greg(hauptwerkobessed)? One of my favourite organists, who has amost wonderful and flawless giftof providing uswith the composer'sintent!</P>


              Is the Gigue Bach?? Absolutley! Yup!! And for anyone who loves Bach, the Gigue can't provide you with anything other than the warm fuzzies. </P>
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              2008: Phoenix III/44

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                [quote user="Clarion"]


                </p>


                Am I all alone as some kind of nutcase here,
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                Clarion,</p>

                I can't vouch for anyone else here, but thanks for sharing this bit of self-discovery with the list. Some of us may have had thoughts about you......</p>

                .............but thanks for removing all doubt.</p>

                AV
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                  And how about Greg(hauptwerkobessed)?
                  One of my favourite organists, who has amost wonderful and flawless
                  giftof providing uswith the composer'sintent
                  </p>

                  ROFL! C'mon, Clarion, stop it, or I shall have to start gushing forth the wonders of Phoenix Organs again....[;)]</p>

                  But seriously.... I can see why Bach may not have composed the Little Prelude and Fugues but Bach not composing this wonderful 'Gigue Fugue' I would like to see more evidence and someone to tell me WHO composed it.
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                    [quote user="hauptwerkobsessed"]But seriously.... I can see why Bach may not have composed the Little Prelude and Fugues but Bach not composing this wonderful 'Gigue Fugue' I would like to see more evidence and someone to tell me WHO composed it.[/quote]</P>


                    It seems so consistentwith the style of the 'Little Fugue', that they make an inseparable pair. If someone else wrote it, then one wouldhave expected to see a larger footprint andeasy to follow trail left by this anonymus composer. I think Bach wrote it for a Saturday night hoedown. [D]</P>
                    2008: Phoenix III/44

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                      [quote user="Clarion"]I think Bach wrote it for a Saturday night hoedown. [D][/quote]</P>


                      LMAO. </P>


                      It was a letdown of sorts for me to find out some years ago that Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor was probably not written by Bach. At least there's some scholarly research behind that assertion, though. Is there an autograph copy of the 'Little Fugue' in existence?</P>


                      Regards,
                      Gary</P>
                      -Gary

                      If it's not baroque, don't fix it.
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                        T&F in D Minor not Bach? oh??????????????????????????? (ultra skeptical eye roll) who wrote it then, and when?? :)

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                          [quote user="NYCFarmboy"]T&amp;F in D Minor not Bach? oh??????????????????????????? (ultra skeptical eye roll) who wrote it then, and when?? :)[/quote]Yes, we have discussed this here before.</P>


                          We have always been toldthat thesepieces areby Bach, but canwe (you and I) really prove it? Going by 'a feeling' just doesn't cut it, when there is scholarly research and the concept of provenance to consider. See the Wikipedia article regarding the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565.</P>


                          Thank goodness for scholars and musicologists; although they are not always right they challenge us to think about what we would otherwise believe blindly.</P>


                          If any well-known workshave beenattributed to the wrong composer, wouldn't you want to know? If the actual composer is obscure, wouldn't you be curious to learn more about them and their other compositions? Iappreciate knowing that the "Prince of Denmark's March" is actually by Jeremiah Clarke rather than Purcell...</P>

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                            [quote user="soubasse32"] Thank goodness for scholars and musicologists; although they are not always right they challenge us to think about what we would otherwise believe blindly.[/quote]</P>


                            And thank goodness for the flea-infested ravens that dine on road-kill! [:(]</P>


                            Ringk, a contemporary of Bach, who used to meet with Bach a couple times a week for coffee at Tim Hortons, ascribes 565 to John. And then 300 years later, "scholars", so called, figure that they know better than Ringk!![:(]</P>


                            How ludicrous!! [H] [8-)]</P>
                            2008: Phoenix III/44

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                              [quote user="soubasse32"] If any well-known workshave beenattributed to the wrong composer, wouldn't you want to know? [/quote]</P>


                              Nope!! Absolutely not! As Gary mentions,the suggestion that 565 was written by someone else, was a letdown. As they say: ignorance is bliss; and on matters such as these, I choose bliss! and the scholars canchoose roadkill if they so wish. [:|]And maybe in their spare time, they can go around the neighbourhood, telling little kidz that Santa Claus is also a fake. [st]</P>
                              2008: Phoenix III/44

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