Are facade pipes easy to find. I would love to have some old facade pipes that are not speaking pipes. I am thinking about making a pipe organ facade of an electronic organ, or at least proposing the idea. I don't want to waste real diapasons where they will never be used. Anyone have facade pipes they'd love to be rid of? Do people like Organ Clearing House have them?
With all the old redundant organs out there, there should be no shortage of facade pipes.
Why do they have to be "facade pipes"? Real pipes shouldn't cost that much more to make than fake ones, and there have to be lots of used pipes out there that are not wanted any more. (Who knows, you might one day want to make them play.)
David
Last edited by davidecasteel; 01-11-2011, 09:59 PM.
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I know that this is going to ruffle some feathers but.....
WHY build a facade of organ pipes that gives the illusion that there is something there that is NOT there? I understand the desire for a nice casework to enclose the organ's speakers (perhaps to hide the organ's speakers?)...but isn't it just a tad dis-honest? (that is, using a facade to imply that the organ is more than a digital imitation?)
Just asking (and putting on my flame-proof pipe organ tuning cover-all's)
Where is this facade intended to go? If a pipe facade is difficult to find, is there already some woodwork or other ornamental work in the room? People often neglect to consider things like woodwork, plasterwork, wrought iron, and other attractive 'screens' for organ chambers, whether they contain pipes or speakers.
Please keep us posted on your discoveries. Your solution may be of help to someone else in the future.
Last edited by regeron; 01-12-2011, 06:31 PM.
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Where is this facade intended to go? If a pipe facade is difficult to find, is there already some woodwork or other ornamental work in the room? People often neglect to consider things like woodwork, plasterwork, wrought iron, and other attractive 'screens' for organ chambers, whether they contain pipes or speakers.
Please keep us posted on your discoveries. Your solution may be of help to someone else in the future.
There is no wood work, wrought iron or organ chambers. Nothing but two ugly 2' square grilles with inadequate speakers behind them on an otherwise bare and uninteresting beige wall. To add irony, there is a nice circular window behind the choir loft. I want to add a nice organ facade in-front of the back wall that adds acoustic chambering and a natural-looking pipe organ case with principal pipes. Either a Baroque-style organ case or an early 20th Century American style organ case would go nicely in there. I could do without that 1970s reform crap though.
I will try to load a picture of the choir loft soon.
I understand it is the complete manifestation of the modern american quest for compromise, fakery, cheapness and endlessly searching to lower the bar by putting a lifeless pipe organ facade infront of Allen organ speakers. It may even be dishonesty, but at my church, without a change of leadership, that is as good as it is going to get. At least we would be doing something.
The more I think about it, the more I think about joining the Tiber River Swim Team.
I understand it is the complete manifestation of the modern american quest for compromise, fakery, cheapness and endlessly searching to lower the bar by putting a lifeless pipe organ facade infront of Allen organ speakers. It may even be dishonesty, but at my church, without a change of leadership, that is as good as it is going to get. At least we would be doing something.
Wow! What a droll bunch bunch of grinches hang out on this forum! And for some perverted reason seem to be dedicated to the preservation of ugliness. And that's pretty sad.
An organ facade could hardly be considered lifeless cheap fakery; when in fact the facade pipes tend to be a whole lot more expensive than the ugliness they are intended to hide. And what exactly is wrong with that??
I am reminded of one of the Phoenix installations at a church attended by the Vice-President of the Bedient Pipe Organ Company, who built the facade for the Phoenix installation.
While I think this is a beautiful installation where words like "compromise, fakery, and cheapness" fail to characterize the installation; unless I have misread a number of posts, I would expect that nothing could make some of these posters happier, than to take a sledge hammer to the entire installation, in the interest of maintaining the integrity and virtue of honest ugliness!! ?? Doh! :o
In all honesty, I would love to have a pipe organ facade in front of the Allen speakers. It is a compromise because there is not really a pipe organ, but otherwise, it would add beauty and be a nice improvement to the situation. I don't know if the people at my church would go for buying a pipe facade. I want to raise money for one. I offered to give them a pipe organ in the past and I could not have been treated with more contempt.
At my church, The walls are mostly bare. The roof has leaked for years. The building was built in the 1990s. We have a piss-poor Allen and a piss-poor choir with a whole Alto section that won't sing on key and they don't practice because they "already know the music". Meanwhile, we've build a nice new Basketball Gym that was designed to impress all the other churches in the area.
If we gave a damn, we could have had choir members trained to be section leaders and get an organist that actually knows what different stops do and why a celeste should not be used in a chorus. We could have taken the money we shat away on that idiotic gym and finished the iconography in the dome and bought a Richards-Fowkes pipe organ!
Can you tell I'm pissed? The Allen isn't really the problem. It's the attitude of apathy that prevails here.
It appears that the people pulling the strings here have forgotten what church is for. If it wasn't for Vatican II, I would have taken a dip in the Tiber River by now. Sometimes, I still think about it.
An organ facade could hardly be considered lifeless cheap fakery; when in fact the facade pipes tend to be a whole lot more expensive than the ugliness they are intended to hide. And what exactly is wrong with that??
There's a lot wrong with that! The facade is nothing more than a facade, but the speakers you want to hide are the weakest part of any electronic organ. If dressing up the front costs more than the most essential part of the organ then there is definately something wrong. An electronic organ stands or falls with the speakers, not with the decoration in front of them.
And if you don't have any idea what Vatican II is and the Tiber and taking a dip in it then it is time to dust of your history books. Heathens...
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