Do you hear a Chalumeau?

[pleurant]

I'm seeking help from the trained ears of this forum. I need to satisfy an argument I'm having with a friend. I have an untrained ear but from the way it is described I think I hear a Chalumeau used in this Overture of the 2004 film POTOpera. This has been bugging me for ages. Here is a link to the film overture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbfz7xjuAMA
If I have posted in an inappropriate forum please feel free to move my question. Thanks for any help you can give me, Pleurant.

[pleurant]

I'm seeking help from the trained ears of this forum. I need to satisfy an argument I'm having with a friend. I have an untrained ear but from the way it is described I think I hear a Chalumeau used in this Overture of the 2004 film POTOpera. This has been bugging me for ages. Here is a link to the film overture.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbfz7xjuAMA
If I have posted in an inappropriate forum please feel free to move my question. Thanks for any help you can give me, Pleurant.

I hate to double post but since there were no replies I thought I might take the opportunity to add to my original post.
The French organ stop Chalumeau is known by many other names http://www.organstops.org/s/Schalmei.html. In searching for an answer it came to my attention that the organ stop is included in the specifications for one of the great pipe organs of the Mormon Tabernacle.
My problem remains that I simply have no idea what it may sound like.

Why do I need to know?
The name Chalumeau is used in the musical plot of POTOpera and since the only character in the musical related to the pipe organ is the Phantom I opine that the Phantom is masquerading as the composer Chalumeau. This is my theory.
The signature music for the phantom is contained in the Overture and so I am wondering if anyone here can detect the use of this organ stop (specifically) in the Overture of the 2004 film.

[Westminster]

I could be wrong but it sounds to me that both the orchestra and organ are synth voices. The organ stops are emulating major ensembles with reed choruses. In organ parlance there are multiple sounds emanating from Schalmei stop knobs. Most common seems to be the Rohrschalmei, which sounds a bit like a Cromorne. The usual construction is a cylinder surmounting a narrow brass tube. The tube often goes a way into the cylinder. Another type is the "Oboe Schalmey" which is usually kind of a fat Oboe, bordering on Trumpet. Sometimes found on the Pedal at 4' as a cantus stop.

[pleurant]

I could be wrong but it sounds to me that both the orchestra and organ are synth voices. The organ stops are emulating major ensembles with reed choruses. In organ parlance there are multiple sounds emanating from Schalmei stop knobs. Most common seems to be the Rohrschalmei, which sounds a bit like a Cromorne. The usual construction is a cylinder surmounting a narrow brass tube. The tube often goes a way into the cylinder. Another type is the "Oboe Schalmey" which is usually kind of a fat Oboe, bordering on Trumpet. Sometimes found on the Pedal at 4' as a cantus stop.

Westminister, thank you for that information, I appreciate it. (I posted a response a little earlier but it didn't seem to take, I hope this one sticks, i hate to repeat myself.)

By synth voices do you mean synthesized?
Certainly in the stage show. For this film ALWebber employed a full orchestra plus to fulfill his vision of how his music should sound. I'm not sure he would have been completely satisfied with a synth pipe organ, but that is simply my opinion, although I do realize that a whole lot of sound mixing must have taken place. I can't find the info but there were a few terrific organists who have the 2004 POTOpera in their professional credits. If I can find their names.
(sorry I tried to post this respond before but it didn't seem to register the last bit).
If i understand correctly the nomenclature Schalmei is designated to Germanic organ stops while Chalumeau is the French name for the same. Am I correct in my thinking?

The Phantom was supposed to be playing a French pipe organ circa at least 1870, and so would the Chalumeau have been the organ stop in use in the Overture of the 2004 film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbfz7xjuAMA?

There are are peeps in another discussion forum that flatly refuse to name the pipe organ as the King of Instruments! and that got my goat...

[pleurant]

just to update progress on my original question.

From the film sound track please take a listen and then read on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV72uOUt_uE


I received this response from an organ enthusiast and student:
"So for the organ stop business, yes Chalameau is indeed organ stop. Was it meant as a joke? Perhaps. These types of organ stops are meant really to be used as solo reeds, that is, say you want to feature the melody in playing something. What you might do is have one hand play a soft background on another keyboard (manual) and have the other play the melody on the Chalameau on another manual. It should be noted that it appears the chalameau is a "soft reed", so the times the organ (what is most likely a synth patch of a "church organ"), you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish. When I hear the overture, if that is indeed taken from a real pipe organ (a commenter on YT once said the movie one is the Royal Albert Hall organ), I would say the sound is "Tutti" or "everything" or at least certainly near it. I hear foundations, reeds (mostly big reeds like trompette, perhaps bombarde, trombone/posaune) and the mixtures, but it's hard (at least for me) to hear individual stops in a strong ensemble like that. Is a chalameau there? Maybe. The Royal Alpert Hall organ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Albert_Hall_Organ doesn't contain any chalameaus (or schalmei, the German name, but there are some similar stops), but does have plenty of big reeds to make that big sound especially the Tubas and the Opheclede (yikes! huge sound).

(the sound of the organ during the theme song is what's called organo pleno, ok this is confusing, it means full organ, but it's not the same as tutti), but it doesn't seem to have any reeds and this time, more espcially so seems to be a synth patch." EOM

I'm not a musician but I am curious as to why this person's opinion seems to differ (or does it) from Westminister's.

In the story the Phantom would be playing a French Pipe Organ circa 1870 or so.

The Chalumeau.
the sound of the Chalumeau stop is described as " a grave, sinister tone, a supernatural tone, sepulchral."
A very Phantomy connection IMO.
http://books.google.com/books?id=he8P ... au%20organ%20stop&f=false

Organ Notre Dame Paris http://mypipeorganhobby.blogspot.com/ ... gan-notre-dame-paris.html
This organ includes the Solo-Cromorne
and the Petite Pedale-Chalumeau.

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