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  • Pitfalls of installing Pipe Organs.... (Indiana University left without working organ)

    October 4, 2005

    Silenced sounds

    http://www.music.indiana.edu/publici...S-Sauers.shtml

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    Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

    my comment and why I posted this:

    A factor in selecting a organ builder must be the ability of the firm to finish the contract. Obviously Indiana University made some glaring mistakes in the contract.

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      Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

      I used to be involved with installing and tuning organs, mostly electronic.
      But sometimes unusual demands were made and it was impossible to comply.
      One case was a university which had a large organ that was a combination
      pipe and electronic organ, with only about 8 ranks of pipes including two
      small mixtures. The hall was used for many things and the organ was stored
      off stage and moved into position before performance. Well the pipes needed
      to be completely tuned after being moved, and they allotted two hours for
      the tuning. I said that was not enough, but I would try to get to most of it.
      It turned out that rehearsals ran late, the organ got moved late, and they
      still wanted all 8 ranks tuned in less than 1/2 an hour with the orchestral
      musicians already milling around on stage, some of them already tuning up!

      I don't know what happened in Mr Rosales's case, but I can well imagine
      that it was not all his fault. There is a fine Rosales organ here in my town
      that he built many years ago, at the time it was one of the largest tracker
      organs in the country. Not everyone likes it of course, it is in a fairly
      large church with poor acoustics, but I think it is satisfactory. I have
      heard that he completed some other organs as well, so he is not a brand
      new builder and he is not a flake, despite Indiana's troubles. Maybe they
      can get someone else to finish putting it together???

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      • #4
        Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

        That article also fails to mention that IU has a mammoth Roosevelt pipe organ in a 4,000 seating capacity auditorium. That organ is out of favor in the organ world though so not used much, if at all. It was used back in the early 90's when I went to IU but whether it is playable today I have no idea.


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        • #5
          Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

          Rosales is out of business?! That's dreadful!

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          • #6
            Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

            yea, too bad that *$%##S#son organ company is still in business.

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            • #7
              Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

              It's kinda curious that Manuel was able to finish and voice the organ in the Los Angeles Disney Concert Hall. Perhaps too many jobs at the same time or misplaced priorities or impossible requirements. Advance payment not always a good practice, especially across country. BTW arbitration is in common use nowadays and is only binding when specified to be so. It reduces the court load considerably.

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              • #8
                Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

                Can someone post what happened when Aeolian-Skinner went out of business in the early 1970's?

                The same with Moller?

                Did they leave any church's with contracts not fullfilled that were paid for?

                I believe Austin Organ went bankrupt either last year or early this year, but has since reorganized and is meeting its obligations? Does someone know for sure?



                Also...what is the advice for avoiding what happened to IU? That story I posted only lists IU's side of the story, and I'm guessing that after 13 years or whatever it was that IU had changed the specs on what they wanted in the organ over time leading to the delays as well....but that is just a guess.


                Just in terms of contracts, do some organ companies post bonds to insure completion of projects? It seems to me that payment should be staggared, some up front, some during building, some on completion, or perhaps all paid up front, or most paid up front if a bond is posted for recovery. But I have no idea if that is even possible, or done. Just an idea.

                Thoughts on how to best pay for a organ to protect both the builder, and the church?

                Any horror stories on builders installing organs that the builder never got paid for? I'm sure the shoe could be on the other foot as well?


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                • #9
                  Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

                  I am very curious how Manuel was able to secure the finish and voicing contract at Disney Concert Hall.
                  I don't think the Disney Hall committee would award a contract to a company with such a red flag.

                  Rob.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pitfalls of "boutique" Pipe Organ builders. (Indiana University left without working organ)

                    For some reason, I don't see how Rosales needed any feedback at this stage whatsoever - I mean gosh, the darn thing isn't even put together yet! He was quite content to receive the money though.

                    - N

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