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    Hi guys,




    Hope all is well. As some of you know my organ at church isn't working. As I told Pete (kyorganist) I found a little notebook at the console with complaints. This is going back 30 years and I found out the organ was officially described as not working on 5/06/1980-5th june btw. Now reading the spec for the organ (which can be found here- http://npor.emma.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/R...c_index=C00862) my question is what does TP stand for?? Is ita tracker pneumatic or is it a tubular pneumatic?? Are there any pros and cons??




    Many thanks and take care now,




    Dean


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    tubular pneumatic

    pro: you won't have to worry about wiring
    con: it probably needs releathering... but... it should work a decent amount on its original leather. There will be ciphers and dead notes, but I'm sure quite a bit of it will work unless it was somehow damaged by water or something

    Get that thing going! The spec looks so nice!

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      Specs look nice. Thanks for the link. Looks like you've got yourself a nice organ. Hope you get it all fixed up soon.




      Best of luck!

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        [quote user="FrenchHorn8"]tubular pneumatic pro: you won't have to worry about wiring con: it probably needs releathering... but... it should work a decent amount on its original leather. There will be ciphers and dead notes, but I'm sure quite a bit of it will work unless it was somehow damaged by water or something Get that thing going! The spec looks so nice![/quote]







        So really all i've got to worry about is cleaning out the pipes, tuning, and releathering of the blower. I'll need to locate the blower. Will it cost a lot to do??

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        • #5
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          it's not the blower that needs to be releathered as it probably doesn't contain any leather (maybe a little horse hair though)

          The pneumatic pouches are what probably need to be redone. TP action looks like this:

          http://homepage.mac.com/doddtrevor/PhotoAlbum1.html

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          • #6
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            Thanks for that. So does the cleaning of the pipes and tuning cost that much to do??

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            • #7
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              It costs nothing if you do it yourself. You just have to be careful not to dent/bend/fall on/sit on any pipes. Tuning is quite simple. All you need is a metal butter knife and a friend you "owes you big time" who will sit down and hold keys for a few hours. Have you saved anyone's life lately?


              ...If your pipes are cone tuned, I would suggest you get a professional to do it. Do they even tune that way in England?

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              • #8
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                My experience with TP is limited to one division of one C1890 (Hinters)organ, but that experience was that the lead alloy tubes can be bent and constricted, even holed when moving things around. Are you sure the non-working notes are serviced by a tube that draws unimpeaded, or is not losing vacuum through a minute hole? In TP. you want and organ that sucks![]




                Lee

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                  After the service I'm going up to the thing and then I'm going to then reconnect the blower. Hopefull there won't be any problems with that. Oh almost forgot that when I went up there previously to get the complaint book. I pressed on the pedalboard and it felt quite stiff. Would I need a new pedalboard or could I *somehow* fix the current one up.







                  Dean

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                  • #10
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                    Don't worry about the pedalboard until you get air to this thing. Being TP, it probably will be a little more stiff than what you're used to with the toaster.

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                    • #11
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                      This is a bit worrying!




                      Not only are we considering what must be quite an important instrument historically, but no-one in here seems to have slightest idea what they are talking about when it comes to pneumatic-actions.




                      I would leave the organ well alone until you know something about how the action works.




                      MM







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                      • #12
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                        Greetings,

                        Agreed. I looked at the NPOR listing and it seemed unclear as to which company built the action for this instrument. Your best first bet is to learn something about Gray & Davison/Rushworth & Dreaper instruments for starters.

                        Here are the things you would want to know:

                        How much of the organ is T-P? Manuals? Pedals only?

                        Are the couplers mechanical or pneumatic?

                        Are the stop actions mechanical or pneumatic?

                        Are the Tubular actions inflate-to-play or exhaust-to-play?

                        Is there a pneumatic crescendo or combination action?

                        Regardless, 99% of English instruments are on slider chests - which is good news for you.

                        As for tuning pipes, it is one thing to tune your own pipes but for a Church instrument I highly recommend getting a professional to do the tuning - what may seem simple is not always so.

                        Best,

                        - Nathan

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                        • #13
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                          Ah I see, it is all T-P according to NPOR, with three combinations per manual/pedal. Well, in all likelihood this is a slider instrument which is interfaced pneumatically to the console. The other questions still apply.

                          - N

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