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  • 2 1/2 Rank Moller, idiot janitor, and related problems

    Hi everyone! I am in the process of acquiring a 1969 3 (really, 2 1/2) rank Moller practice organ. It is NOT an Artiste, as it is unenclosed and the console looks like a Schlicker with the stop tabs of a Moller. The idiot janitor who removed it pulled the cotton-covered wires from the pin board where the console wires connect and are grounded. He did a spotty job of removing pipes, and did absolutely no documentation in terms of which pipe goes where. The guy I'm buying it from did a good job of guessing, but isn't sure if the pipes are where they are supposed to be. We removed 9-71 of the Rohrflute rank the other day, and we were missing numbers 72 and 73. I'm guessing that they were wired to the Principal 72 and 73.
    - Is this a reasonable conclusion to draw?
    - How do I know which pipes are supposed to go where? It's obvious that the flute goes on the LH side, and the principal on the RH side, but what about the treble pipes, and the half-rank (Larigot and Terz) pipes? There are larger holes in the toeboards that are for them, but I'm not sure where to put them when it comes to deciding between these pipes and the treble flutes.
    - I'm assuming a pattern on the chest, but I am not certain. Is it possible that there was, or did the janitor really screw things up?

    Wish me luck!

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    Start at the junction board where you will see the chest wiring numbered in black ink on the board and labeled by rank name and numbered 1-16 or maybe 1-73. Apply your power supply + to each pin and you will energize the proper chest valve. With the blower turned on, you will be able to hear the air for that note blowing. Continue thru all the numbers and you will be able to find where each pipe goes. Hope this helps.

    Michael

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    • #3
      I'm trying to figure out why you are calling the janitor an idiot. Did the janitor decide one day to start removing wires? Why didn't you you tell the janitor how to do it? I'm sure, being a janitor, that he does not have any training in matters like this. It is possible that the idiot is the the one who expected the janitor to do a job he didn't have enough knowledge to do to your standards. Perhaps you should consider hiring a more qualified worker before calling someone else an idiot.
      When I become dictator, those who preach intolerance will not be tolerated.

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      • #4
        I bought an old Allen that licensed electricians carefully removed from a church, and they did a great job of labeling everything so that they could put it back together. But then five or six years passed, and the markings, although still there, were hard to decipher and interpret, even by the guys that DID IT back then. It took me months, and more theory than I ever imagined, to figure out how to put it back together, but the markings and labels made perfect sense after the fact. So GOOD LUCK and GODSPEED in this effort. And kudos to TN Michael for expert advice.
        -- I'm Lamar -- Allen TC-4 Classic -- 1899 Kimball, Rodgers W5000C, Conn 643, Hammond M3, L-102 - "Let no man belong to another who can belong to himself." (Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest​ -) ​Paracelsus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ShadyJoe View Post
          I'm trying to figure out why you are calling the janitor an idiot. Did the janitor decide one day to start removing wires? Why didn't you you tell the janitor how to do it? I'm sure, being a janitor, that he does not have any training in matters like this. It is possible that the idiot is the the one who expected the janitor to do a job he didn't have enough knowledge to do to your standards. Perhaps you should consider hiring a more qualified worker before calling someone else an idiot.
          Quite true, but we have all had our moments when others simply just know what expect is obvious and these situations it's best not to cast blame or spew rude words at anyone.

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          • #6
            look at the junction boards as previously recommended. ALSO, Moller usually numbered the notes at the MAGNETS as well as the junction boards. As long as the wiring is intact between the junction board in the lower case and the magnets on the bottom boards, you should have little trouble finding what pipe goes where. The 1/2 rank (typically a Larigot stop in these little organs) will be arranged in a couple of rows in the center of the chest in an "A" arrangement.

            One other thing...the cotton double-wrapped wire is NOT in compliance with current electrical code, so at least between the console and the case junction boards that cableing should be replaced. As long as the cable from the case junction to the magnets has not been disturbed that wiring will be grandfathered.

            Have fun learning the intricacies of pipe organ wiring as it applies to Moller "series" organs (btw, just because it is not expressive doesn't necessarily make the organ NOT an "Artiste").

            Rick in VA

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