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  • #16
    Originally posted by cdm View Post
    If you have something that might fit, lets talk about it. The price of postage seems unfair; you need to get something. Maybe a case of beer? Wait a minute ... how much is beer in SA?
    Aaah, yes, beer... But its been a while since I had one so forgot what it costs - probably around $15 for a case but no need. I am quite happy with coffee these days - and of course a "potjie" (You may want to ask Casey to explain exactly what that is...).

    I will get into my garage where I have stashed about 12 organs and haul out those VH pieces. Looking at Casey's picture I would say they are similar and maybe one coud do something with one. It will require some work but of course you already know that and are probably standing by with shears and files and materials... From what we have so far it seems that your major issue would be the sub bass chest and levers or whatever Casey mentioned. Try and get those - such a beautiful instrument just does not sound right without that thundering bass.

    And I echo Caasey's sentiments about organ butchers...!

    Chat some more next week - gotta go get into that garage of mine...

    Nico
    "Don't make war, make music!" Hammonds, Lowreys, Yamaha's, Gulbransens, Baldwin, Technics, Johannus. Reed organs. Details on request...

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    • #17
      No levers. I have contacted the seller about them but will not hold my breath. Looks like a possible fabrication job, eh?

      What is a 'potjie'? Looks like a VH mechanism might cost me one ...

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      • #18
        Was that a joke, Sir Nico? Did you make a glue pot from an iron pot?

        Cdm - A lot of folks these days, including me, don't like the small quaver from a fan-type Vox Humana. (You might try cobbling up something temporary before you make the effort.)
        -- I'm Lamar -- 1967 Allen TC-4 Project (forum thread)
        -- 1899 Kimball Parlor Organ (forum thread)
        -- 1999 Rodgers W5000C and Hauptwerk - spare W5000C for spares
        -- Conn 643 Theater - Hammond M3 and E-112 - Roland RD300nx stage piano
        -- Public domain hymn search: https://songselect.ccli.com/search/r...t=publicdomain

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        • #19
          Originally posted by cdm View Post

          What is a 'potjie'? Looks like a VH mechanism might cost me one ...
          Since Casey has been shy to come forward with his superior knowledge I will explain: A potjie is the local lingo for a special kind of stew brewed over an open fire in a cast-iron pot. Anything you fancy may go into it - from chicken to pork to beef to lamb and whatever trimmings you like, with spices and flavoring to match. The idea is not so much the eating but the gathering, nattering and visiting. Almost like a barbecue but if done right, tends to extend the visiting time. Sometimes the potjie is forgotten long before the beer runs out...

          Nico

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          Originally posted by Silken Path View Post
          Was that a joke, Sir Nico? Did you make a glue pot from an iron pot?
          Naaaw, just fooling around. I was hoping Casey would comment because he knows exactly what this potjie thing is.... BTW, potjie is pronounced po'chee or something close...

          Keep smiling Lamar!

          Nico
          "Don't make war, make music!" Hammonds, Lowreys, Yamaha's, Gulbransens, Baldwin, Technics, Johannus. Reed organs. Details on request...

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          • #20
            Found them!

            Herewith a number of pics of the drum type similar to the one Casey posted in Post #6:

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            The last picture shows the other which is not round but square-based and missing the closer mechanism.

            Nico
            "Don't make war, make music!" Hammonds, Lowreys, Yamaha's, Gulbransens, Baldwin, Technics, Johannus. Reed organs. Details on request...

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            • #21
              Silk - I am not surprised the VH would be 'weak' so to speak. My interest is more that the instrument be complete. Anyway it looks like Nico might have something that will work.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Organfella View Post
                Found them!

                Herewith a number of pics of the drum type similar to the one Casey posted in Post #6:

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                The last picture shows the other which is not round but square-based and missing the closer mechanism.

                Nico
                Didn't drop out; just had to go to Daytona for a couple of days. Yes, the roundish one looks very similar to Casey's pic. It's a little on the long side but that is no problem, we have the technology to make it fit. Let me look into the easiest way to post from SA to Florida and I will PM you.

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                • #23
                  OK. There is one thing that bothers me a little - the oblong hole in the wind chest where the VH should fit is much larger than the small 3/4" diameter hole in the drum. Now to adapt these should be easy but perhaps the original one had a different drum or larger vanes requiring more wind to drive it. The overall length can be easily reduced by cutting the tail end of the base and vane shaft and re positioning the post. Also check where the links are located to the stop - you want this to be as close to the VH mechanism as practical to avoid having to design elaborate extensions. You will know what I mean.

                  Perhaps Casey has something to say here.

                  If at all workable I would recommend international courier as our local Post Office is about so-so but it does still work...

                  Nico
                  "Don't make war, make music!" Hammonds, Lowreys, Yamaha's, Gulbransens, Baldwin, Technics, Johannus. Reed organs. Details on request...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Organfella View Post
                    OK. There is one thing that bothers me a little - the oblong hole in the wind chest where the VH should fit is much larger than the small 3/4" diameter hole in the drum. Now to adapt these should be easy but perhaps the original one had a different drum or larger vanes requiring more wind to drive it. The overall length can be easily reduced by cutting the tail end of the base and vane shaft and re positioning the post. Also check where the links are located to the stop - you want this to be as close to the VH mechanism as practical to avoid having to design elaborate extensions. You will know what I mean.

                    Perhaps Casey has something to say here.

                    If at all workable I would recommend international courier as our local Post Office is about so-so but it does still work...

                    Nico
                    The hole coming up into the VH is 3/4". The oblong looks like something fit into it to hold the end of the VH in place or assure alignment of the wind holes. I don't anticipate a problem working with this. The linkage is already right in line with the drum of the VH. Looks like a straight shot. Still have not looked into posting methods but will do in next day or so.

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                    • #25
                      Here's an example of a decent amount of VH effect, starting at 2:25 https://youtu.be/8KC_SfNeXCg
                      This example is first stanza w/o and second with; this organ has a very prominent VH. https://youtu.be/7LHypNb5438

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SubBase View Post
                        Here's an example of a decent amount of VH effect, starting at 2:25 https://youtu.be/8KC_SfNeXCg
                        This example is first stanza w/o and second with; this organ has a very prominent VH. https://youtu.be/7LHypNb5438
                        Thanks for these examples .

                        For the past 3 days I have been putting wind through the Kimball action and chasing all my mistakes down one by one. Without mutes it is (at last!) quiet and all reeds play albeit some not so tunefully if you will. In this exercise I have learned that these instruments, unlike modern electronic types, are subtle or, gentle. While the VH is not aggressive it is certainly there if one is listening for it. I hope I can make the one Nico has work on my M&H as I feel it would be incomplete without it.

                        By the way, I did get the sub bass from ebay and it's in very good condition. The seller did not have the actuator rods so I will figure that out.

                        A question for you; on the stop board, under the stops is the word MUHLBACHER in gold leaf. I cannot find any reference to this in any of the literature or archives. Do you have any idea? I assume it refers to a person.
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                        • #27
                          MUHLBACHER was probably the dealer/music store who sold it. The name's not familiar. There was a piano manufacturer in St. Petersburg (Russia) by that name. could they have been agents of M&H reed organs? M&H did mention a St Petersburg location in their heyday.
                          Casey

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                          • #28
                            I own a beautiful Storey & Clark organ bearing only the name Riegelhuth & Sons. This party was public auctioneers in Cape Town during the 1800's and likely imported the organs either piecemeal or in completed form but their name featured on the case. This is most likely the case with your one as well, except that Mason & Hamlin still appears proudly for all to see...

                            Here is a picture of my Storey & Clark:

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                            The music rack which goes in the center had been removed for transportation. You can clearly see the name of the Auctioneers where the legend: Storey & Clark ought to be. But who cares, she looks and sound good!

                            Nico
                            "Don't make war, make music!" Hammonds, Lowreys, Yamaha's, Gulbransens, Baldwin, Technics, Johannus. Reed organs. Details on request...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Organfella View Post
                              I own a beautiful Storey & Clark organ bearing only the name Riegelhuth & Sons. This party was public auctioneers in Cape Town during the 1800's and likely imported the organs either piecemeal or in completed form but their name featured on the case. This is most likely the case with your one as well, except that Mason & Hamlin still appears proudly for all to see...

                              Here is a picture of my Storey & Clark:

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                              The music rack which goes in the center had been removed for transportation. You can clearly see the name of the Auctioneers where the legend: Storey & Clark ought to be. But who cares, she looks and sound good!

                              Nico
                              Both you and Casey have suggested this is a dealer or private label mark and I have to agree. Looking a little more closely at the script style the Muhlbacher name was not put on by M&H as the script is different; particularly notable with the M. As you say, no worries, it will make music again and perhaps some day I'll run across the answer to the mystery. In the meantime it will be preserved for posterity.

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