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    Quite an interesting disposition, even if the stops are from varied sources. You certainly have the full range of tone colors covered. I do have to wonder about the use of an "Octaaf" sample apparently for 8', 4', and 2' members of the great principal chorus. Was this a unit rank in the original organ? Or are they all three different but just named the same? I have to assume that this idea works out well, judging by the lovely sounds I hear on your recording. It's just a bit unusual to see that.
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    John, the names are confusing, but each is a separate register. They are all from the "Hoofdwerk" division of the Magnussen organ in Laurenskerk, Rotterdam. This is a straight, non-unified instrument, except for the borrowings, which are indicated.

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    Thank you so much for sharing this, Tbeck. It is remarkable how English the sound is on your recording considering the origin of these stops.
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    I guess I thought it sounded English because England is the only country where I've heard the cathedral organs, and these being wet samples, they sound like they're playing in a cathedral. That's how limited my experience is with European organ sound!
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    Perhaps I should just think of it as a "generic" cathedral sample set. My experience is also not sufficient. However, I wanted to play a verse with a big solo reed playing the melody in the tenor and I wanted it to sound like a big English tuba, but I couldn't really make it work. If I played some of the solo reeds, I think it would be more obvious this wasn't an English organ. But, I also think the ensemble kind of works.

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    May I ask what software you use to create composite sample?

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    The organ definition file (ODF) used by GrandOrgue is a text file. So I didn't use any specialized software to create the ODF.

    The ODF is structured and is composed of several different elements, e.g., organ, manuals, windchests, tremulants, couplers, stops, ranks, etc. I have several different templates that I use. I start with a basic template containing thee manuals, pedals, approximately 25 stops, and standard couplers. Since my console only has two manuals, one of the manuals is a "floating" manual, and I have set up couplers which allow me to couple the floating division to either manual, or replace the ODF manual assigned to a keyboard.

    I have also written some quick and dirty python scripts to help me create the rank objects. Depending on the samples, there can be several attacks and/or releases for each pipe, as well as tremmed samples with attacks and releases. One of the sample sets I use has 17 lines for each pipe. The ODF consists of over 30,000 lines. Using templates, its possible to create the rank objects using global search and replace in a text editor, but it is pretty tedious. I use the python scripts to set up the rank objects in batches.

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    I tried odf file once but did not understand what to put where

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    Johnallen, you can look at the ODF for the demo organ that downloads with GrandOrgue. There is also a help file. In my case, I had to experiment quite a bit to see the effect of changes that I made in the ODF. It's a bit like hacking. But eventually, if you refer to a well made ODF along with the help file, it makes sense.

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    Is Grandorgur odf easier than Hauptwerk odf?

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